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7 hours ago, GWC said:

You can equally say the same about GB and Sweden although you would need to go back a while and Denmark not so far.

Poland seems to be moving into the top nation at long last.

I’m very positive about the future of GB. There’s some very talented riders coming through to follow Tai, something that’s not been the case for too long. 
Sweden have produced next to nobody worthwhile for too long, young Danish riders were plentiful but seem to hit a peak too early. The exception being Madsen, but he’s not one of the young ones.
Poland, of course, is a rider producing machine, but even they seem to get so far and no further. The country has been crying out for the heir to Thomas Gollob since he won his title in 2010. Hampel looked promising but then was blighted by injury, the Pawlicki brothers rose and fell, Przedpelski was another the same, as, by his 2019 performance, has Dudek. I don’t think Janowski will go much further, and it’s too early to say about the three under 21s. Drabik, Smektala and Kubera. The stand out, of course, is Zmarzlik, but, with Madsen on the prowl, will he be another with only one Championship?

The immediate future looks like it belongs to Poland, and so it should with its subsidies, but I reckon GB will be the next best. Our likely SON team of Tai, Robert Lambert and Dan Bewley looks pretty strong to me, especially round the NSS.

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16 minutes ago, poolebolton said:

Just the two who have beaten Jordan Stewart this aussie season. 

 

Also, Jason Doyle had very little pedigree. Turned out ok. 

Charles Wright, Craig Cook very little pedigree at a young age and they turned out ok as well. 

Don't look all on pedigree. They have talent and hopefully be given time. 

The same Jordan Stewart who was riding with an injury and then pulled out.

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24 minutes ago, Wee Eck said:

I’m very positive about the future of GB. There’s some very talented riders coming through to follow Tai, something that’s not been the case for too long. 
Sweden have produced next to nobody worthwhile for too long, young Danish riders were plentiful but seem to hit a peak too early. The exception being Madsen, but he’s not one of the young ones.
Poland, of course, is a rider producing machine, but even they seem to get so far and no further. The country has been crying out for the heir to Thomas Gollob since he won his title in 2010. Hampel looked promising but then was blighted by injury, the Pawlicki brothers rose and fell, Przedpelski was another the same, as, by his 2019 performance, has Dudek. I don’t think Janowski will go much further, and it’s too early to say about the three under 21s. Drabik, Smektala and Kubera. The stand out, of course, is Zmarzlik, but, with Madsen on the prowl, will he be another with only one Championship?

The immediate future looks like it belongs to Poland, and so it should with its subsidies, but I reckon GB will be the next best. Our likely SON team of Tai, Robert Lambert and Dan Bewley looks pretty strong to me, especially round the NSS.

The future belongs to the Poles and Danes. 
 

Danes have plenty of talent. Fred Jakobsen, Birkenmouse(he just signed a 5 year deal with Gorzow), . Jesper Knudsen(15). Those 2 might be the dominant Force in speedway for 10 years. 

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55 minutes ago, poolebolton said:

Just the two who have beaten Jordan Stewart this aussie season. 

 

Also, Jason Doyle had very little pedigree. Turned out ok. 

Charles Wright, Craig Cook very little pedigree at a young age and they turned out ok as well. 

Don't look all on pedigree. They have talent and hopefully be given time. 

 

Stewart’s a 6 point CL rider, MacDonald a 4 pointer and the other two have no experience of the CL.

Isn’t Keleher 27 and hardly one for the future?

And Ben Cook seems well behind Somerset’s Zach Cook.

Poor.

 

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13 minutes ago, poolebolton said:

The future belongs to the Poles and Danes. 
 

Danes have plenty of talent. Fred Jakobsen, Birkenmouse(he just signed a 5 year deal with Gorzow), . Jesper Knudsen(15). Those 2 might be the dominant Force in speedway for 10 years. 

I will admit to my ignorance here as I’ve never heard of Birkenmouse and couldn’t find anything about him. My view is Freddie is limited. He might find his height is against him. And we all know that 15 year old protégés often fall by the wayside. Like Arthur Sissis or Josh Auty. But, at least we have several riders coming through - the Thompsons, the McGurks, Jordan Pailin, Drew Kemp, Leon Flint, Tom Brennan, Jason Edwards, Jordan Jenkins, Anders Rowe. Plus Dan Bewley of course. 
Shame Poole weren’t in a position to invest in the future of GB

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19 minutes ago, DC2 said:

 

Stewart’s a 6 point CL rider, MacDonald a 4 pointer and the other two have no experience of the CL.

Isn’t Keleher 27 and hardly one for the future?

And Ben Cook seems well behind Somerset’s Zach Cook.

Poor.

 

So Stewart just got beaten by 3 x4 point riders. 
 

Ben Cook was better than his brother a year ago. Just have to wait and see. 
 

Zane got the nod from Crump. When crump gives someone the nod I’ll listen to crump. 

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I would have liked to have seen the BSPA insist that all teams have at least 1 'young' Brit at reserve. There are enough to go round! Maybe the BSPA could have funded each riders performance, which would make it more appealing to each promoter?

Poole's job isn't to develop British talent, it's to put a team together that brings in the fans, which in turn increases income and sustainability. (IMO)

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9 minutes ago, GiveusaB said:

I would have liked to have seen the BSPA insist that all teams have at least 1 'young' Brit at reserve. There are enough to go round! Maybe the BSPA could have funded each riders performance, which would make it more appealing to each promoter?

Poole's job isn't to develop British talent, it's to put a team together that brings in the fans, which in turn increases income and sustainability. (IMO)

Agree with that and if they increased Brit reduction to 5% or more for U21's in both Leagues PL/CL it would encourage more Clubs to develop Home talent. 

Also agree that in the real world Promoters have to pick 1-7 to win matches, matches and not win friends and most Speedway Club supporters would view success as more important than development. 

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32 minutes ago, GiveusaB said:

I would have liked to have seen the BSPA insist that all teams have at least 1 'young' Brit at reserve. There are enough to go round! Maybe the BSPA could have funded each riders performance, which would make it more appealing to each promoter?

Poole's job isn't to develop British talent, it's to put a team together that brings in the fans, which in turn increases income and sustainability. (IMO)

Absolutely, it’s long overdue. Riders like Hume and Greaves shouldn’t be without team spots while there are Aussies at number seven in some teams IMO. But you are right, teams build as strong as they can and have no obligation to develop Brits while it’s not in the rules. 

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16 minutes ago, waco said:

Young decent Brits should have been used not Aussies,,,Shamefull the way British speedway is being run these days....

How does Zeleher and Cook come in on a four yet Hume who had two seasons riddled with injury is saddled with a 3.19 average.He should of had a reduction and this rule could be put in place to help all Brits, speedway is a wonderful sport but some of the rules are a joke.Adam Roynon another example Neil Watson comes up with all those permutations about what average he would come in on he should come in on a two no ifs no but's .The rules in speedway seem to be more important than making sure the clubs put on a decent show for the public making sure the fans go home feeling they have had a good night out.Looking at these Aussies if Josh Pickering who i like and rate has been over here four/ five seasons??? can average only 6.98 i can't see those Aussies averaging six.Zeleher could be the exception i do like him but to average over six is a big ask Poole i believe will have to make changes at some stage.

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