Poole Pirates 2021

[TurnTwo]

Kurtz & Hume or Kurtz & bowtell would create a solid line up of 1 3 & 5 as well as 2 solid second strings in Kurtz & Nielsen with 2 deserves that can score points too. 

[mac101]

Max or Dillon Ruml would be worth a shout 

[DJC]

10 minutes ago, mac101 said:

Max or Dillon Ruml would be worth a shout 

That could be an interesting call! Aussies champs could be smoke and mirrors with the American champs this week! Do Americans have to finish top 3/4 of their championships to get a permit? 
 

I did think Todd was a cert when the drop down was announced though! Him and a Morley feels the safest option 

[STEVEHOLS54]

53 minutes ago, TurnTwo said:

Kurtz & Hume or Kurtz & bowtell would create a solid line up of 1 3 & 5 as well as 2 solid second strings in Kurtz & Nielsen with 2 deserves that can score points too. 

Kurtz you know you will get your 5 to 5.5 av as that is what he is. It then comes down to who is the better reserve - Hume or Bowtell. Maybe split opinion ??

Not a lot between the two but Bowtell was excl or retired more than Hume was last season. points wise arguably similar level.

Kurtz seemed the obvious when Hansen & Bjerre said no. Believe he shared with Brady at one of Middlo's accommodations last few seasons. Question is with Brady now at BV is he moving North and with Todd now at Sheffield in Prem are they both moving out to share somewhere to live up North. Maybe Todd doesn't want a club all the way down here. 

So this begs the question, are Poole looking at other options like Aussie/s. One Aussie 4 pointer would give them the pick of whats left from a N/L rider H/L perspective (well the 4 I named that is in earlier post). Or a Euro/Scand 5 pointer plus one decent N/L H/L - Champ reserve like Morley/Wood/Hume/Bowtell.

I am taking a more statistical view in that I would expect from our 3 H/L (with the expected ups and downs they will all have) say 26/27 points as an av (based on current av) which means we need our other 4 riders to pull 20/21 points to get us a win.  If the H/L do  score plenty more then less pressure further down the team. Whichever way we go there will be risks with 2 x 4 pointers already signed. That's why for me those last 2 riders are important as I can see us wanting strong reserves to counter other teams who will get higher from a top 4/5 like say Leic/Redcar.

I can't help thinking the Ford's may be thinking similar as history at Poole over the last few years tells us that your top 3 rarely click together on the same night and its further down you look to help get you over the line. That factor applies whichever league you are in.

[STEVEHOLS54]

25 minutes ago, DJC said:

That could be an interesting call! Aussies champs could be smoke and mirrors with the American champs this week! Do Americans have to finish top 3/4 of their championships to get a permit? 
 

I did think Todd was a cert when the drop down was announced though! Him and a Morley feels the safest option 

Yes but don't think Morley fits as takes us over 8.97 even if both get a 2.5% reduction. Morley would be 3.71 and Kurtz 5.29 = 9 which is 0.03 over the 9 

This is the conundrum Poole face as a result of signing made. Losing both Hansen & Bjerre kind of messed up plans imo, hence maybe why a rethink on which direction to take. At one stage we seemed primed for Bjerre with Bowtell meaning we had a 5 plus rider in 2019 who is a truer 7 to 8.5 man in Bjerre with Bowtell slipping in nicely to balance out the points. Hansen on 5 points was a guy who showcased his results in the World U21 Champs last 2 seasons and has lots of potential, so worth the risk on a 5 giving us the pick of the riders left who were decent N/L H/L or reserves in Champ near enough.

Maybe Kurtz is still an option but perhaps the Ford's are weighing up the options to see what gives them potentially the better mix to score points over the 2 places with what points are available.

Of course cost could also be a factor as one would assume kurtz in total cost a lot less than bringing other Aussies over as he has his Prem place confirmed and used to sharing living costs with Brady.

Am a bit surprised Kennedy was not snapped up after having done his maiden UK season, also having been Sheffields rider of the year as must have shown something to warrant that title. Looked good in his overtake of both Wells & Pickering in the on line video I saw.

Can't help thinking they have said near enough yes to Keleher subject to how the Aussie Champs go which so far not well with his injury but he hopes to be back for 4th round on Thur. He has professional looking website - seems to have decent sponsors and even uses flashy computer to tune his bikes looking at his FB page. Not totally convinced but if part of his costs covered by decent sponsors it may reduce cost plus he said he is ready for UK a while ago. Not so young at 25/26 but he did leave the sport for a while then came back. Have read he has potential and his scores in some of the regional meetings have been ok.

Will be interesting to see which way Poole go on these last 2 riders.

[Arthur54]

Back in the old national league days Poole always had the knack of unearthing some quality from down under, no reason why we can't do it again 

[arnieg]

1 hour ago, DJC said:

That could be an interesting call! Aussies champs could be smoke and mirrors with the American champs this week! Do Americans have to finish top 3/4 of their championships to get a permit? 
 

I did think Todd was a cert when the drop down was announced though! Him and a Morley feels the safest option 

The Perris meeting is the meeting to determine American representatives in the GP qualifying rounds.

The American championship (AMA - the one that is relevant for work permits as opposed to the ones at Costa Mesa or Owego) results are here.

 

https://www.speedwaybikes.com/res2019_w/FastFridays-20190921.htm

 

Dillon Ruml doesn't qualify for a work permit. Don't think you'll get Janniro and Max Ruml/Manzares hardly set the PL alight last time they rode here.

[TurnTwo]

Personally I’d go bowtell over Morley although Morley is the safer option Bowtell is very gutsy and raw ability is there and a very good gater too. 

[TurnTwo]

Just now, TurnTwo said:

Personally I’d go bowtell over Morley although Morley is the safer option Bowtell is very gutsy and raw ability is there and a very good gater too. 

Same with Hume, he seems to always get injured. Where as bowtell usually walks away -even with a dislocated knee at Newcastle I believe! 

[Catalan]

1 hour ago, Arthur54 said:

Back in the old national league days Poole always had the knack of unearthing some quality from down under, no reason why we can't do it again 

Neil Street was the eyes and ears in those days.

[ray c]

16 minutes ago, sugarray said:

Neil Street was the eyes and ears in those days.

I was just going to say the same thing you beat me to it 

[Arthur54]

59 minutes ago, sugarray said:

Neil Street was the eyes and ears in those days.

I think probably boysie or even Darcy could be the eyes and ears now 

[SteveLyric2]

38 minutes ago, Arthur54 said:

I think probably boysie or even Darcy could be the eyes and ears now 

Boycey, Darcy and Crump are all Matt's eyes and ears in OZ - even Leigh Adams and Rod Colquhoun too!

[SteveLyric2]

5 hours ago, poole keith said:

think our young inexperienced co-promoters might have been left behind a bit, but cant see two young aussies is the best option,also not cheap (air flights,vans,accomodation,engines etc)especially if its times two,dont agree with the asset argument, big financial outlay for only possible long term return,also increasing the asset base would put the cost of buying the club up,why increase the price when its not selling at current asking price?

Its Matt who is putting the 1-7 together for 2020!!  Danny is the spokesperson.

[Bald Bloke]

5 hours ago, Skidder1 said:

Boycey, Darcy and Crump are all Matt's eyes and ears in OZ - even Leigh Adams and Rod Colquhoun too!

Bet that comment makes them feel great 

[SteveLyric2]

9 hours ago, Bald Bloke said:

Bet that comment makes them feel great 

They have wider responsibilities than just MF and Poole!!!

[IronScorpion]

On ‎1‎/‎8‎/‎2020 at 10:27 AM, TurnTwo said:

I just had a quick look at the forum views. Could this be a master stroke of trying to revive interest in the Poole camp? For example look at Eastbourne announcing their team first 20,000 views. Poole incomplete 140,000 views... people are certainly talking about Poole. (I understand some interest would have been caused by their drop down but still 120000 views more?)

It also contains a lot of bitchiness & hatred towards Poole from certain posters with huge ego's & chips on shoulders rather than speedway talk. Also, why have they still a thread in the Premiership section, although there has been no more posts since it was mentioned before Christmas.

[STEVEHOLS54]

36 minutes ago, Supernova1993 said:

Poole in the brown stuff by the sound of things. Teams plans must have gone up in smoke on more than one occasion. 

Well Keleher confirmed out of series after crash in round 2 and head injury, so doesn't want to risk it. So in 3 rides over the first 2 rounds - zero points. looking at his fb comments get impression he thinks it may have cost him a UK place. In honesty I think most of the  established riders would have beat him anyway if the likes of Medson/Ben Cook & Morrison anything to go by. Points by these guys mainly earned on back of falls/excl or ef by established riders or against the above lower guys/reserves.

Was thinking that if we can't get one of the new Aussies or one of the best youngsters like Gilmore who is the best of the under 20 riders, we could maybe do worse than young Zane Kennedy who had a fairly ok first season (similar to Stewarts first season in 2018) and finished as Sheffield's rider of the season which not a bad feat in your first season and still only 21.

It could be that Keleher appeals/ed because he looks like he has decent sponsors behind him - an all singing & dancing website own racing brand etc which may reduce cost ?? Plus Dick Barrie commented he looks a decent talent. It's a risk though having never ridden here.

What we also don't know is whether the Kurtz route is still open if the other options fall down and would he be too happy to be a choice more forced than actually wanted/preferred.

But of course we do allegedly have all the ex top Aussie guys now based in Aussie looking out for the best talent for Poole, so be interesting to see if/what they come up with and do they want to do UK anyway ??

Be interesting to see if anything  comes out of the Aussie U21 meeting in 10/11 days to see if one of their exciting talents comes forth. Hook excluded himself as finishing school in 2020 and will base in POL in 2021. Similar with Rew who will do POL/DK in 2020 and think base in DK like 2019 before his bad injury. Will Gilmore even be fit for the meeting after his broken wrist from 5th Nov. Although he has nothing to prove after 2 World junior Champ final wins in Europe and looks an exciting talent. If he even wants to do Champ or go down the Lidsey route of POL and then UK Prem.

Going to be interesting to see what comes out over coming weeks.

[Tosh1218]

don't know what average Gino Manzares would come in on ,but he would do a good job for Poole .At  Scunthorpe he was beset with injury and personal problems but the last two months he was in great form scoring points everywhere 

[STEVEHOLS54]

48 minutes ago, Tosh1218 said:

don't know what average Gino Manzares would come in on ,but he would do a good job for Poole .At  Scunthorpe he was beset with injury and personal problems but the last two months he was in great form scoring points everywhere 

Not convinced Manzares will ever make it big in the sport and feel would struggle just as he did some years ago. Maybe should stay with the change of career he embarked on.

Think there are better options even at this stage.