Poole Pirates 2021

[Bald Bloke]

18 hours ago, foreverblue said:

Be careful where you tread on this thread!!

Please tell me more 

[shippy22]

What about Nathan Greaves on 4.61 and one young Australian.    Nathan Greaves was one of the few riders whose away average was higher than his home average, meaning he is likely to increase his average with a more suitable home track.

Surely safer than signing 2 new Australian riders.

[Fromafar]

3 minutes ago, shippy22 said:

What about Nathan Greaves on 4.61 and one young Australian.    Nathan Greaves was one of the few riders whose away average was higher than his home average, meaning he is likely to increase his average with a more suitable home track.

Surely safer than signing 2 new Australian riders.

Greaves is good value for that average. IMO 

[ray c]

13 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

Greaves is good value for that average. IMO 

can only get better as well

[STEVEHOLS54]

11 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

Greaves is good value for that average. IMO 

For me Greaves came on the scene in 2013 and in his first few seasons looked like a promising rider with potential. 

In 7 seasons with plenty of  double up and even trebling up some years he for me has never really pushed on and  is what he is, which is a steady 4 to 4.5 Champ reserve and that is what you will get. If he was any good or was showing plenty of potential don't you think one of the geographically more suited Northern clubs would have signed him ??

Poole don't just want to sign riders to make up the numbers in my opinion. If you sign some really decent young Aussies who have shown potential - Let say just for this discussion Gilmore and List or even Keleher or maybe even Kennedy you are potentially signing assets with a possible future. Certainly in Aussie in the last month or so all 4 I have named would turn over Greaves just as they have turned over riders such as Brennan/Smith and the other odd N/L riders as well as a Young promising Pole and a Dane who went down there for the Winter.

I would rather have 2 young Aussies with potential taking a longer term view from both a results and asst value going forward. I think this is a good a season as any for them to come to UK as the strength of lots of the N/L reserves and young UK riders is for many still in its infancy and these young Aussie guys should easily hold their own against most of them. Most of these young Aussies have been taking on older and more established riders and beating them so have been getting valuable experience. Jed List maybe came over a bit too early and Scinthorpe got rid of him far too early, but he has shown in Aussie this season he can mix it and a 5 ride maximum against most of the young Aussies (except Gilmore who got injured in the meeting) and only just lost out to Hook in the final where he missed the break but made up ground and just failed to overtake on the final lap.

The one thing that concerns me about these young promising Aussies is if they decide to miss out UK and go straight to POL where they can double up in DK. Seems a few looking at that route. Lidsey did it and went straight into Prem when ready and Rew taken similar route and so will Hook after he finishes school in 2020 and then goes direct to POL for 2021.

Still would not  dismiss Kennedy coming over again as he was not happy he was not invited over for 2020 having done an ok first season and only 21 still.

[STEVEHOLS54]

As an after thought on Zaine Kennedy.

If you visit his Facebook page and scroll back to 13th August, you will see him in a race V Wells and Pickering. He overtook both of them from behind to win and was all action.

He was also voted Sheffield's rider of the year in his first season in UK.  I assume he was not invited back due to Sheffield moving into Prem.

When you look at that race on its own - the rider of the year plus some decent perfomances in his few meetings in Aus on borrowed equip over the last 6 weeks, then you ask yourself the question would he maybe be a decent signing. On a  4 one would perhaps argue yes if he could have decent equip and some reasonable sponsorship.

Jordan Stewart was only on 4.09 when he finished his first UK season in Champ in 2018. Now he is one of the hotter property Aussies for Redcar & now signed Swindon.

[SteveLyric2]

Just because Poole are looking at the Australian performances doesn't mean they'll end up with more Aussies in their starting (or finishing) 1-7!!!!

[STEVEHOLS54]

9 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:

Just because Poole are looking at the Australian performances doesn't mean they'll end up with more Aussies in their starting (or finishing) 1-7!!!!

True.

Maybe there is a real left field signing we have not considered although personally I would be surprised. Having trawled through all the stats I sure cannot come up with anyone other than another Aussie in Kurtz who I don't think is a signing of choice, even if he was interested. Besides that nothing in the UK stats jumps out as a progressive option.

Wouldn't mind a World Class U21 young rider who has proved it on the World U21 stage like a Hansen/Kvech/Jeppeson but somehow don't think it will happen. That would leave a relatively unknown European/Scandinavian who would probably struggle to score a 5 point av and then we are left with 3.97 for a N/L heat leader.

Feel free to come in with any potential riders I may have missed. The Poole promotion want to keep their cards close to their chest but nothing stopping us supporters airing our views on possibilities.

It may well be there are other 5 pointers out there but in the right combination with a N/L rider is another question. 

[Ben91]

Being Australian isn’t any guarantee of being good. 

[Sidney the robin]

5 minutes ago, Ben91 said:

Being Australian isn’t any guarantee of being good. 

List, Kennedy, Keleher, would any of those. Aussies average 6 in the Championship Ben what do you think.?? For me Steve Hols54 has named the six riders   that i believe would interest Poole as a longterm option Jeppesen, Kvech, Hansen, Rew, Hook,Gilmore ( my first choice.).I think Gilmore, Rew,Hook, might do a Lidsey and want to go straight in the Premiership when they are ready.

[TurnTwo]

I just had a quick look at the forum views. Could this be a master stroke of trying to revive interest in the Poole camp? For example look at Eastbourne announcing their team first 20,000 views. Poole incomplete 140,000 views... people are certainly talking about Poole. (I understand some interest would have been caused by their drop down but still 120000 views more?)

[Ben91]

9 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said:

List, Kennedy, Keleher, would any of those. Aussies average 6 in the Championship Ben what do you think.?? For me Steve Hols54 has named the six riders   that i believe would interest Poole as a longterm option Jeppesen, Kvech, Hansen, Rew, Hook,Gilmore ( my first choice.).I think Gilmore, Rew,Hook, might do a Lidsey and want to go straight in the Premiership when they are ready.

I’m out of touch when it comes to who is a good prospect and who isn’t these days. Since Rye House closed my interest has dwindled (it was heading that way before we closed in fairness). But there seems, and always has been this way, to be the opinion that being Australian makes a rider better than a Brit automatically. Some are, some aren’t. 

[STEVEHOLS54]

6 minutes ago, Ben91 said:

I’m out of touch when it comes to who is a good prospect and who isn’t these days. Since Rye House closed my interest has dwindled (it was heading that way before we closed in fairness). But there seems, and always has been this way, to be the opinion that being Australian makes a rider better than a Brit automatically. Some are, some aren’t. 

The Australian connection is partly in regards to what riders are left available as the ship has near enough sailed on most options available. Plus the seemingly door closing on preferred options Hansen & Lasse Bjerre.

For me its weighing up what are best options available on the 8.97 points left. Kurtz (a steady 5 pointer period) & a N/L rider (Hume/Bowtell/Kinsley) - Or a 5 point Continent relatively unknown (who probably would struggle to get 5) plus a N/L heat leader i.e Morley/Wood/Hume.

The other option as said before is 2 Aussies on 4. I see it that both could score decent points at reserve plus if young promising Aussies we could have 2 decent assets long term, and with Poole's track record of bringing along decent talented Aussie youngsters one would hope that in 2/3 years at least one of them improves a lot and even if the second one is only a 5.5 to 6 point rider by then then for me it is worthwhile.

I would think if it was 2 young Aussies going into the main team then yes could be difficult, but both would be at reserve and if you look at some of the Aussie talent then in my view they could do well against the many N/L reserves/young relatively inexperienced Brits who are finding their way.

[STEVEHOLS54]

3 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

The Australian connection is partly in regards to what riders are left available as the ship has near enough sailed on most options available. Plus the seemingly door closing on preferred options Hansen & Lasse Bjerre.

For me its weighing up what are best options available on the 8.97 points left. Kurtz (a steady 5 pointer period) & a N/L rider (Hume/Bowtell/Kinsley) - Or a 5 point Continent relatively unknown (who probably would struggle to get 5) plus a N/L heat leader i.e Morley/Wood/Hume.

The other option as said before is 2 Aussies on 4. I see it that both could score decent points at reserve plus if young promising Aussies we could have 2 decent assets long term, and with Poole's track record of bringing along decent talented Aussie youngsters one would hope that in 2/3 years at least one of them improves a lot and even if the second one is only a 5.5 to 6 point rider by then then for me it is worthwhile.

I would think if it was 2 young Aussies going into the main team then yes could be difficult, but both would be at reserve and if you look at some of the Aussie talent then in my view they could do well against the many N/L reserves/young relatively inexperienced Brits who are finding their way.

Of course it ultimately comes down to which Aussies. There are a good few who imo not worth going for as been around a while and will never make it in our league.

[SteveLyric2]

18 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

The Australian connection is partly in regards to what riders are left available as the ship has near enough sailed on most options available. Plus the seemingly door closing on preferred options Hansen & Lasse Bjerre.

For me its weighing up what are best options available on the 8.97 points left. Kurtz (a steady 5 pointer period) & a N/L rider (Hume/Bowtell/Kinsley) - Or a 5 point Continent relatively unknown (who probably would struggle to get 5) plus a N/L heat leader i.e Morley/Wood/Hume.

The other option as said before is 2 Aussies on 4. I see it that both could score decent points at reserve plus if young promising Aussies we could have 2 decent assets long term, and with Poole's track record of bringing along decent talented Aussie youngsters one would hope that in 2/3 years at least one of them improves a lot and even if the second one is only a 5.5 to 6 point rider by then then for me it is worthwhile.

I would think if it was 2 young Aussies going into the main team then yes could be difficult, but both would be at reserve and if you look at some of the Aussie talent then in my view they could do well against the many N/L reserves/young relatively inexperienced Brits who are finding their way.

The likes of Bowtell/Morley/Wood have all had recent Championship team places. They shouldn't simply be dismissed as 'N/L riders'!!

Lets not forget we are looking at a 2nd string and reserve (or 2 reserves?) at Championship level - not Premiership!!

[STEVEHOLS54]

16 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:

The likes of Bowtell/Morley/Wood have all had recent Championship team places. They shouldn't simply be dismissed as 'N/L riders'!!

Lets not forget we are looking at a 2nd string and reserve (or 2 reserves?) at Championship level - not Premiership!!

Yes all 3 are N/L heat leaders or Champ reserves and I am not denying that or dismissing.

But surely Poole have a responsibility to fill that 8.97 to the best of their ability. Especially with their first season in Champ and wanting to no doubt show most that they are capable of fielding a prospective title winning side. Just as the likes of Leic/Redcar have. 

My view is that having 2 decent and relatively young Aussies such as Gilmore/List/Keleher/Kennedy (if we exclude Hook/Rew), they may combined score more than say a Danish unknown on 5 and a N/L H/Leader. Just my opinion of course.

It could be that a decent young Aussie and a N/L heatleader is another option. It then comes down to who would you have between say Morley/Wood/Hume/Bowtell or even Kinsley. We should go for the one who has the highest av with the points we have available.

My view is that having seemingly missed out on Hansen & Bjerre, the stronger reserve pairing we can put together the better as this is an area we could really harvest some points to compensate the fact some other teams will have a stronger top 5 with 2 weaker reserves (or inexperienced young Brits still finding their way).

I have said before that being agonisingly short of 9 points left by 0.03 of a point is frustrating as it reduces the option of being able to sign a 5 point rider from the continent and say a young Aussie on a 4.

It could be of course that Poole have NO intention of signing 2 Aussies and plan say an Aussie and the best N/L heat leader they can get from what is left available which is near enough what I have named if you look at all the stats available.

[ArthurRudge]

What's the Mitcham Midget upto these days get him signed up at reserve

[JCookie]

37 minutes ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

Yes all 3 are N/L heat leaders or Champ reserves and I am not denying that or dismissing.

But surely Poole have a responsibility to fill that 8.97 to the best of their ability. Especially with their first season in Champ and wanting to no doubt show most that they are capable of fielding a prospective title winning side. Just as the likes of Leic/Redcar have. 

My view is that having 2 decent and relatively young Aussies such as Gilmore/List/Keleher/Kennedy (if we exclude Hook/Rew), they may combined score more than say a Danish unknown on 5 and a N/L H/Leader. Just my opinion of course.

It could be that a decent young Aussie and a N/L heatleader is another option. It then comes down to who would you have between say Morley/Wood/Hume/Bowtell or even Kinsley. We should go for the one who has the highest av with the points we have available.

My view is that having seemingly missed out on Hansen & Bjerre, the stronger reserve pairing we can put together the better as this is an area we could really harvest some points to compensate the fact some other teams will have a stronger top 5 with 2 weaker reserves (or inexperienced young Brits still finding their way).

I have said before that being agonisingly short of 9 points left by 0.03 of a point is frustrating as it reduces the option of being able to sign a 5 point rider from the continent and say a young Aussie on a 4.

It could be of course that Poole have NO intention of signing 2 Aussies and plan say an Aussie and the best N/L heat leader they can get from what is left available which is near enough what I have named if you look at all the stats available.

Jedd List was awful last year for Scunthorpe. While I think he'll be better now if he's given another chance, it would be a risk for Poole to spend 4 points on him. 

Aussie youngsters in general just don't seem that good anymore, they're mostly decent PL riders all told, but that's not really enough reason to bring one all the way over here.

[poole keith]

think our young inexperienced co-promoters might have been left behind a bit, but cant see two young aussies is the best option,also not cheap (air flights,vans,accomodation,engines etc)especially if its times two,dont agree with the asset argument, big financial outlay for only possible long term return,also increasing the asset base would put the cost of buying the club up,why increase the price when its not selling at current asking price?

[TurnTwo]

Surely todd Kurtz would be a good signing?