Poole Pirates 2021

[crescent girl]

5 hours ago, Fortythirtyeight said:

Brian Havelock, once a promoter at Redcar, stopped Matej Kus signing for Newcastle until they agreed to purchase him which had to go to arbitration. Think he did the same with Aaron Summers.

Neither rider was stopped riding.  They went to their chosen club, and the arbitration procedure decided the fee. 

[phillipsr]

1 hour ago, crescent girl said:

Neither rider was stopped riding.  They went to their chosen club, and the arbitration procedure decided the fee. 

Pavolaara lasy year for Leicester  

[crescent girl]

1 hour ago, phillipsr said:

Pavolaara lasy year for Leicester  

Not so.  See Gordon Pairman's very clear explanation of this, and other situations, in the parallel 'Loan Riders' thread running on here. 

Edited January 5, 2020 by crescent girl

[Bald Bloke]

9 hours ago, crescent girl said:

OK, Ray - can you cite an example of a rider being stopped riding for another club? 

Didn't Ford tell  Somerset that if they wanted C. Holder they would have to buy him for £20k. Refused a loan. Didn't matter as he wasn't allowed to ride here in the end.... I have not read the whole tread, but this came to mind. Might be irrelevant.

Edited January 5, 2020 by Bald Bloke

[ray c]

9 hours ago, Bald Bloke said:

Didn't Ford tell  Somerset that if they wanted C. Holder they would have to buy him for £20k. Refused a loan. Didn't matter as he wasn't allowed to ride here in the end.... I have not read the whole tread, but this came to mind. Might be irrelevant.

correct

[crescent girl]

16 hours ago, Bald Bloke said:

Didn't Ford tell  Somerset that if they wanted C. Holder they would have to buy him for £20k. Refused a loan. Didn't matter as he wasn't allowed to ride here in the end.... I have not read the whole tread, but this came to mind. Might be irrelevant.

Chris Holder wasn’t blocked from riding.      Poole said Somerset had to buy him.      Somerset said no.

Had Somerset really wanted him (and he had been granted a visa) they could have appealed to SCB and used him while the appeal was being held and a fee was set.     

[poolebolton]

4 hours ago, crescent girl said:

Chris Holder wasn’t blocked from riding.      Poole said Somerset had to buy him.      Somerset said no.

Had Somerset really wanted him (and he had been granted a visa) they could have appealed to SCB and used him while the appeal was being held and a fee was set.     

Chris holders issue was the visa. More than anything else as you mentioned. 
 

didn’t matter if somerset offered 10 million for his services he was going to ride due to visa. 

[ArthurRudge]

20k tho Chris Holder pmsl!

[ArthurRudge]

Ippo recon he is going there

 

[crescent girl]

2 hours ago, Richard Weston said:

Talking of Chris Holder. Does he need a top 4 place in Aussie Championships to get a visa to ride in UK this year?

No, his second place in the NSW title is sufficient to support a visa application.

[foreverblue]

On 1/5/2020 at 11:14 PM, Bald Bloke said:

Didn't Ford tell  Somerset that if they wanted C. Holder they would have to buy him for £20k. Refused a loan. Didn't matter as he wasn't allowed to ride here in the end.... I have not read the whole tread, but this came to mind. Might be irrelevant.

Be careful where you tread on this thread!!

Edited January 7, 2020 by foreverblue

[chris4gillian]

https://poole-speedway.com/news/view/2020-01-02-no-panic-for-final-two

 

[GiveusaB]

3 hours ago, chris4gillian said:

https://poole-speedway.com/news/view/2020-01-02-no-panic-for-final-two

 

No young British talent on the radar then ???

[STEVEHOLS54]

2 hours ago, chris4gillian said:

https://poole-speedway.com/news/view/2020-01-02-no-panic-for-final-two

 

Positive spin on a not so clever situation.

Most the decent Aussies already signed up. The few that are left in this competition certainly will not hold their own in our league imo. Maybe Keleher but even he was injured after one pointless ride in abandoned first round - second round fell excluded and injured in first ride and didnt ride in round 3 today. So not much to go on but if anything like Medsen then no chance imo as Medsen has beaten nothing and doesn't even look on the pace imo.

Maybe they need to look closer at the one meeting Aussie U21 later this month. I am sold on Gilmore who is recovering from a broken wrist incurred in a meeting 5th Nov and I am not even sure he will ride as seems to have missed out on Aussie main champs and only one of 3 reserves although didnt turn up for first 3 meetings so assume still recovering. Hook plans to finish school this year and then doesnt plan Uk as will base in POL for 2021 season. Kind of excludes him. Leaves imo - Kennedy (not even riding in Aussie Champs but at least did his first UK season last year) - Jedd List who probably better mentally for 2020 and only 18 or maybe Keynan Rew - 17 in April and signed by Leszno nursery club Steiner just like Gilmore. Was badly injured in 2019 but due back in DK and POL in 2020. Maybe will ease his way ack so perhaps not looking to do UK next season.

The availability is kind of narrow imo on who is available that is decent enough with potential other that say Gilmore and Kennedy or List. Keleher is a risk in mid twenties having left and then come back to the sport, but he does seem to have decent backing and happy to big himself up. Talk is one thing - performance is another. Alreadysaid on social media he wants UK in 2020.

[STEVEHOLS54]

19 minutes ago, GiveusaB said:

No young British talent on the radar then ???

Most of the best ones already signed elsewhere. I am talking about talented YOUNG British riders.

Would perhaps work if there was a decent 6 pointer willing to sign, but it seems there is not. Only Todd Kurtz left imo and he is a 5 pointer not progressing and that's even if he wanted to sign. 

For me Poole have to sign the best riders they can from the 8.97 they have left. 2 promising young Aussies in the reserve slots would partly compensate where they may lose out from having in effect 4 x 4 point riders outside the top 3. Plus with a view to the future if signed as assets.

Edited January 7, 2020 by STEVEHOLS54
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[chris4gillian]

What about Hans Anderson for a shot in the dark?  He hasn't signed a UK deal yet and although he's way past his best he would certainly do a good job in the Championship on a what must be a very attractive average.

Having said the above, he may be Panthers bound once again...as Tungate may also (or instead of) be...

[ArthurRudge]

Fords are so full of plop, we won't be rushed into things who is exactly rushing them? Matter is they have not got anyone lined up most the decent aussies are already signed up.

Edited January 7, 2020 by ArthurRudge

[poolebolton]

1 hour ago, ArthurRudge said:

Fords are so full of plop, we won't be rushed into things who is exactly rushing them? Matter is they have not got anyone lined up most the decent aussies are already signed up.

Bar Gilmore who is the best of the young bunch by a distance. 

[STEVEHOLS54]

54 minutes ago, ArthurRudge said:

Fords are so full of plop, we won't be rushed into things who is exactly rushing them? Matter is they have not got anyone lined up most the decent aussies are already signed up.

Think their plans went par shaped when Hansen finally said no and then Bjerre also it seems said no as not doing UK in 2020 (allegedly).

As said in my last post with 8.97 it means either 2 Aussies on 4 each(what is left that is or on the young rider front who is interested in coming over). Or you have Kurtz plus say Hume/Kinsley/Bowtell as the likes of Morley/Woods are too high to accommodate.

The fact that none of the first 3 have been named by any of the other 11 teams indicates they were not wanted elsewhere (at this stage). Maybe later if/when teams start to drop riders after the first couple of months.

Me personally would like to see 2 of the good young up and coming Aussies who have some decent form. They should hopefully beat more than lose to N/L quality riders and probably most of the young finding their feet Brit youngsters who are now Champ reserves. That partly offsets the disadvantage of having 2 other 4 pointers in the team.

I can't see the point of having a young unproven Dane come in on a 5 as most of them struggle and don't get anywhere near their assessed av plus it means we only have 3.97 left which just below the 4 we need for another Aussie so you are forced to use a N/L rider. 

I would rather have 2 talented young 4 point Aussies with a view of poss having another maybe long  term World class star of the future (like a Gilmore ?) or one that is maybe just short of World class but can do it in both our champ and Prem long term.

There is a lot to be said for having a top 5 like Leic/Redcar with a bit weaker at reserve. But Poole did not choose that route so need to compensate where they can and for me 2 good young Aussie reserves would hopefully compensate at reserve where they could do plenty of damage. especially against the other teams not so good reserves.Just my opinion of course.

[STEVEHOLS54]

3 hours ago, chris4gillian said:

What about Hans Anderson for a shot in the dark?  He hasn't signed a UK deal yet and although he's way past his best he would certainly do a good job in the Championship on a what must be a very attractive average.

Having said the above, he may be Panthers bound once again...as Tungate may also (or instead of) be...

If only .

The drop to Champ means his GSA would increase by 1.5 or 1.6 conversion from Prem which is above what we have left points wise for our last 2 riders and also above what we would have for one rider.

I think that as long as he can get rides in POL on a Sunday (and he has signed again for his team in 2020) and also in DK, then I think he will stay with Prem only until his diary (and maybe his wallet) starts to empty a bit more.