tyretrax Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 I think you can work for the employer who has furloughed you but they cannot claim furlough money for these hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 (edited) If/when the Government decides that it is safe for sports like Speedway to return, with whatever social distancing guidelines are in place at that time, then surely the same will apply to greyhound racing. Stadia UK have said that greyhounds will return to Poole as soon as the public are allowed back in. That means stadium staff being back for at least 3 or 4 days each week, plus an extra day for speedway. The BSPL have said previously that speedway will not happen behind closed doors as it would not be financially sustainable' As soon as permission is given ie the lockdown is relaxed sufficiently then every club will look at their potential income streams to see if it will work. Glasgow have admitted that a great proportion of their revenue comes from fan attendance, however other clubs (possibly including Poole) might have stronger income streams from other sources eg sponsorship, banner advertising and programme advertising etc as well as revenue from admissions. Edited June 3, 2020 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 5 hours ago, Supersub said: Spot on Keith. Greyhounds Transferred to Swindon till at least October. Stadia UK have furloughed virtually all staff and therefore stadium will be difficult to operate without the staff and so I imagine speedway it’s unlikely this season. Also if social distancing is still in place I think it will be very difficult to implement at a speedway meeting and I can’t imagine they can run speedway without crowds I think you are right cant see greyhounds until later in the year anyway . all the dogs will have to be trialled again round the stadium race track . will be to late for speedway then I think Glasgow had the right idea wait until next year just my opinion of course 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixer2 Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 4 hours ago, Skidder1 said: If/when the Government decides that it is safe for sports like Speedway to return, with whatever social distancing guidelines are in place at that time, then surely the same will apply to greyhound racing. Stadia UK have said that greyhounds will return to Poole as soon as the public are allowed back in. That means stadium staff being back for at least 3 or 4 days each week, plus an extra day for speedway. The BSPL have said previously that speedway will not happen behind closed doors as it would not be financially sustainable' As soon as permission is given ie the lockdown is relaxed sufficiently then every club will look at their potential income streams to see if it will work. Glasgow have admitted that a great proportion of their revenue comes from fan attendance, however other clubs (possibly including Poole) might have stronger income streams from other sources eg sponsorship, banner advertising and programme advertising etc as well as revenue from admissions. A few years ago Matt could well have run behind close doors on sponsorship alone, he's said as much. However I fear those heady days are well and truly behind us and even if this was to be the case, I'm sure even the most ardent sponsor would fail to see the funny side of all his centre green banners playing to an empty grandstand and his programme advertising still neatly packed in the box straight off the Ferag! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Fixer2 said: A few years ago Matt could well have run behind close doors on sponsorship alone, he's said as much. However I fear those heady days are well and truly behind us and even if this was to be the case, I'm sure even the most ardent sponsor would fail to see the funny side of all his centre green banners playing to an empty grandstand and his programme advertising still neatly packed in the box straight off the Ferag! My point was when the lockdown is lifted sufficiently to allow speedway/greyhounds and similar sports to take place with a 'socially- distanced crowd', so that advertisers, sponsors will get their brand seen by fans attending. Whenever/if ever the lockdown is further eased then its likely that the 2-metre rule will also change. Boris (and some other countries) are already suggesting 1 metre distance might be enough and that would equate to just a couple of arm lengths. Danny is clearly of the opinion that it can work otherwise he wouldn't have stated it publicly in yesterday's articles. Edited June 4, 2020 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 19 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: My point was when the lockdown is lifted sufficiently to allow speedway/greyhounds and similar sports to take place with a 'socially- distanced crowd', so that advertisers, sponsors will get their brand seen by fans attending. Whenever/if ever the lockdown is further eased then its likely that the 2-metre rule will also change. Boris (and some other countries) are already suggesting 1 metre distance might be enough and that would equate to just a couple of arm lengths. Danny is clearly of the opinion that it can work otherwise he wouldn't have stated it publicly in yesterday's articles. I thought we were the only country with a 2-metre the rest were one may be wrong though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 42 minutes ago, ray c said: I thought we were the only country with a 2-metre the rest were one may be wrong though It does vary from country to country between 1m and 2m. Canada and Spain also use 2m while the World Health Organisation recommends just 1 m. If only we followed that it would make reopening the sport and leasure here so very much easier, not to mention transport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 1.5 mts in cool sunny Qld Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) i would take any price there wont be any more dog racing at Wimborne road , poole Edited June 4, 2020 by ruckerroo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, ruckerroo said: i would take any price there wont be any more dog racing at Wimborne road , poole How do you work that out no dogs no speedway either then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondboy Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) 22 hours ago, tyretrax said: I think you can work for the employer who has furloughed you but they cannot claim furlough money for these hours. That is in a way incorrect, a furlough claim has a minimum period of three weeks, therefore you cannot claim for 6 days then miss one then claim for 4 days etc etc. Edit It would appear I’m incorrect, apologies. On 29 May 2020, the Chancellor announced changes to the Scheme. Existing scheme closure and ‘flexible furlough’ The old Scheme will close to new entrants on 30 June. From this point onwards, employers will only be able to furlough employees that they have furloughed for a full three week period prior to 30 June. Employers who want to place new employees on furlough must do so by 10 June so the minimum 3 week period required can be achieved. From 1 July, flexible furlough can be used. For example, an employee who works 5 days a week can be brought back to work for 2 days a week. The employer will pay wages for those 2 days as normal. The Scheme will “continue to cover” the employee for the other 3 working days. Edited June 4, 2020 by Diamondboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 20 minutes ago, ray c said: How do you work that out no dogs no speedway either then All i know is the same mob shut bristol, milton keynes and reading . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixer2 Posted June 4, 2020 Report Share Posted June 4, 2020 10 hours ago, Skidder1 said: My point was when the lockdown is lifted sufficiently to allow speedway/greyhounds and similar sports to take place with a 'socially- distanced crowd', so that advertisers, sponsors will get their brand seen by fans attending. Whenever/if ever the lockdown is further eased then its likely that the 2-metre rule will also change. Boris (and some other countries) are already suggesting 1 metre distance might be enough and that would equate to just a couple of arm lengths. Danny is clearly of the opinion that it can work otherwise he wouldn't have stated it publicly in yesterday's articles. My point was he could not afford to run speedway meetings behind closed doors with no paying crowds.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted June 5, 2020 Report Share Posted June 5, 2020 14 hours ago, Fixer2 said: My point was he could not afford to run speedway meetings behind closed doors with no paying crowds.... BSPL have already stated that competitive speedway will not happen behind closed doors - its not affordable for any club. but Danny Ford is still planning to resume when allowed - as are the likes of Edinburgh, Leicester Newcastle etc etc If by mid-July/August - like transport - it becomes a requirement for fans to all wear face masks to public gatherings and social distancing is reduced virtually to nil then whats the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted June 5, 2020 Report Share Posted June 5, 2020 23 hours ago, ruckerroo said: i would take any price there wont be any more dog racing at Wimborne road , poole If that is true - despite Stadia UK's statement that dogs will return as soon as the public are allowed to attend - then the Council will be within their rights to take the stadium lease off them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted June 5, 2020 Report Share Posted June 5, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 6:11 PM, Skidder1 said: If/when the Government decides that it is safe for sports like Speedway to return, with whatever social distancing guidelines are in place at that time, then surely the same will apply to greyhound racing. Stadia UK have said that greyhounds will return to Poole as soon as the public are allowed back in. That means stadium staff being back for at least 3 or 4 days each week, plus an extra day for speedway. The BSPL have said previously that speedway will not happen behind closed doors as it would not be financially sustainable' As soon as permission is given ie the lockdown is relaxed sufficiently then every club will look at their potential income streams to see if it will work. Glasgow have admitted that a great proportion of their revenue comes from fan attendance, however other clubs (possibly including Poole) might have stronger income streams from other sources eg sponsorship, banner advertising and programme advertising etc as well as revenue from admissions. definetly not as simple as that skids(ruckeroos point about dogs never returning might well be true)as you know the key to a greyhound tracks profitability is streaming revenues,poole have lost their sunday stream to a northern track which only left two and they have been moved to sister track swindon who already had 3 streams to betting shops daytime mon,wed,andfri so they now have income from 5 streams,problem at poole was that of their two streams the tues eve was only on rptv and what they pay is only just above the break even figure for the meeting,so the only profit for the week would be sat evening but theyre aleady receiving that money via swindon so why take it from swindon back to poole?logical to have all5 streams from one track and mothball the other.Other problems are that quite a few poole trainers have now given up and retired their hounds and the poole trainers that moved to swindon have been told they are not poole trainers anymore but swindon trainers so there might not be enough dogs to reopen poole.Also skids to be profitable on a sat night the restaurant needs to be full (usually was) any sort of social distancing would prevent this ,so no dog racing! I first had dealings with stadia uk 40 yrs ago forget what they called themselves then based at the old eastville stadium before they developed it ,and theyhave always kept all their cards very close to themselves so anything could happen,another rumour last wk was that in a few yrs swindon would close for housing and the whole operation would move to poole so who knows!!! one thing for certain skids poole will not have any dog racing this august,which brings me back to my original point, young ford needs to establish if they will reopen the stadium for a few speedway meetings only ?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted June 5, 2020 Report Share Posted June 5, 2020 3 hours ago, poole keith said: definetly not as simple as that skids(ruckeroos point about dogs never returning might well be true)as you know the key to a greyhound tracks profitability is streaming revenues,poole have lost their sunday stream to a northern track which only left two and they have been moved to sister track swindon who already had 3 streams to betting shops daytime mon,wed,andfri so they now have income from 5 streams,problem at poole was that of their two streams the tues eve was only on rptv and what they pay is only just above the break even figure for the meeting,so the only profit for the week would be sat evening but theyre aleady receiving that money via swindon so why take it from swindon back to poole?logical to have all5 streams from one track and mothball the other.Other problems are that quite a few poole trainers have now given up and retired their hounds and the poole trainers that moved to swindon have been told they are not poole trainers anymore but swindon trainers so there might not be enough dogs to reopen poole.Also skids to be profitable on a sat night the restaurant needs to be full (usually was) any sort of social distancing would prevent this ,so no dog racing! I first had dealings with stadia uk 40 yrs ago forget what they called themselves then based at the old eastville stadium before they developed it ,and theyhave always kept all their cards very close to themselves so anything could happen,another rumour last wk was that in a few yrs swindon would close for housing and the whole operation would move to poole so who knows!!! one thing for certain skids poole will not have any dog racing this august,which brings me back to my original point, young ford needs to establish if they will reopen the stadium for a few speedway meetings only ?? BS group( Bristol stadium) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted June 5, 2020 Report Share Posted June 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Skidder1 said: If that is true - despite Stadia UK's statement that dogs will return as soon as the public are allowed to attend - then the Council will be within their rights to take the stadium lease off them. i do hope the council have a policy to cover potential different eventualities at the stadium and are quite firm,but as you would know skids commercial leases can be very complex and i would imagine the stadium lease would be many pages of legal "stuff". I just somehow cant believe mr osborne and co would put themselves in a position whereby they would forfeit the lease unless they actually wanted "out" and im pretty sure they dont want away as they still see potential in the site (for potential read profit) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted June 5, 2020 Report Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 52 minutes ago, poole keith said: i do hope the council have a policy to cover potential different eventualities at the stadium and are quite firm,but as you would know skids commercial leases can be very complex and i would imagine the stadium lease would be many pages of legal "stuff". I just somehow cant believe mr osborne and co would put themselves in a position whereby they would forfeit the lease unless they actually wanted "out" and im pretty sure they dont want away as they still see potential in the site (for potential read profit) The lease is for Stadia UK to operate the stadium as a sports/leisure facility, specifically (but not exclusively) for Greyhounds and Speedway. If it doesn't do one and doesn't allow the other then its reneging on the terms of the lease and this would allow the Council to take the lease back or offer it to an alternative operator with similar leisure/sporting provision. Edited June 5, 2020 by Skidder1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersub Posted June 5, 2020 Report Share Posted June 5, 2020 Not sure if this would stand up in a court of law Skidder bearing in mind these unprecedented times. Judges can be quite lenient when it comes to lease forfeiture unless it is flagrant breach and no hope of remedy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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