Somerset 2020

[speedwaysliders]

Anyone know what promoters have to go through to get a transfer or loan deal done?Is it a free fall all when you just approach a rider,or the rider does the same with the promoter,or is there rules(?!) that a club has to go through to get the deal done,ie contacting the BSPA,club who owns Chris Harris,or even contacting somerset to ask have you got first call on Chris Harris in 2020? 

[MartinBSN]

18 minutes ago, speedwaysliders said:

Anyone know what promoters have to go through to get a transfer or loan deal done?Is it a free fall all when you just approach a rider,or the rider does the same with the promoter,or is there rules(?!) that a club has to go through to get the deal done,ie contacting the BSPA,club who owns Chris Harris,or even contacting somerset to ask have you got first call on Chris Harris in 2020? 

I'd guess protocol would be ask the rider who owns them, then go ask the promoter if they give you permission to talk to them and what loan terms would they require

[NeilWatson]

2 hours ago, Marshall07 said:

I'd guess protocol would be ask the rider who owns them, then go ask the promoter if they give you permission to talk to them and what loan terms would they require

Any Promoter worth his salt should know which Club holds a rider’s registration. Permission should be sought from the ‘owning’ Promoter. Loan fees are on a fixed scale based on the rider’s average.

[DC2]

29 minutes ago, NeilWatson said:

Any Promoter worth his salt should know which Club holds a rider’s registration. Permission should be sought from the ‘owning’ Promoter. Loan fees are on a fixed scale based on the rider’s average.

 

What happens if permission is refused?

 

[jenga]

curved ball !

[bill94d]

I won't be lightening my wallet anywhere near a speedway track till they stop this nonsense. Well said Geoff

[NeilWatson]

1 hour ago, DC2 said:

 

What happens if permission is refused?

 

Good question. In a perfect world the enquiring Promoter would move on and look elsewhere. 

[DC2]

1 minute ago, NeilWatson said:

Good question. In a perfect world the enquiring Promoter would move on and look elsewhere. 

 

Or just sign Miedzinski.  

 

[RebelDan]

I’m not too disappointed Harris has departed, he’s been a brilliant servant to British Speedway but I think his best days are behind him and I’m guessing he is costly.

I’d love to see Covatti and Rowe back, and build from there. I’d also love to see Charles Wright return but on a 9+ average there isn’t any value there. I’d take Jake Allen back but I’m not sure if he’s burnt his bridges with the promotion.

 

 

[speedybee]

Whilst Wright may not be 'good value' in an average sense, I'd suggest that his value in an entertainment sense in almost immeasurable. He's clearly loved by many Rebels fans and he'd doubtless bring in more wavering fans - such as me. The British Champion tag wouldn't do any harm either. 

Surely Redcar aren't that flushed with cash that they can outbid a decently supported club like Somerset?

[womble53]

2 hours ago, speedybee said:

Surely Redcar aren't that flushed with cash that they can outbid a decently supported club like Somerset?

You might think so but after pleading abject poverty at last years AGM, and being one of the prime movers in bringing the team building points limit down to 38pts (they allegedly wanted 36pts), on the grounds that anything higher would possibly lead to them not running, that's exactly what they did!

Edited October 20, 2019 by womble53

[MartinBSN]

9 hours ago, womble53 said:

You might think so but after pleading abject poverty at last years AGM, and being one of the prime movers in bringing the team building points limit down to 38pts (they allegedly wanted 36pts), on the grounds that anything higher would possibly lead to them not running, that's exactly what they did!

Somerset may have had a different wage structure to Redcar though? They may have been willing to pay more for Wright than Somerset due to paying less elsewhere for other riders. Whereas Somerset signed 3 big hitters (one being Harris who is renowned for his expense).

[Speedway28]

I've seen it mentioned that Jake Allen fell out with the Somerset promotion during his time at the club. Obviously any thought of him signing for Somerset is irrelevant now with him signing for Scunthorpe but what happened with Jake at Somerset?

Edited October 21, 2019 by Speedway28

[oldtimer]

On ‎10‎/‎19‎/‎2019 at 10:39 AM, bill94d said:

I did not attend the OTA at all this year, after regular attendance in 2018. Reason? Dropped a league, got rid of the world champion and (for me a pensioner) put up prices. Try selling something under the banner of "less for more" and you will be in trouble sooner or later. I am interested in the sport and watch it on TV but the ritual clearing out of riders for a whole new set up for the next season is the height of madness. Can you imagine the uproar if football tried that? Develop a fan loyalty base, bin the points limit, and let promoter build the team they want and their supporters can relate to over time and can support commercially.

Sadly I agree with every word, apart from bin the points limit.  

[drew2]

On 10/19/2019 at 10:39 AM, bill94d said:

I did not attend the OTA at all this year, after regular attendance in 2018. Reason? Dropped a league, got rid of the world champion and (for me a pensioner) put up prices. Try selling something under the banner of "less for more" and you will be in trouble sooner or later. I am interested in the sport and watch it on TV but the ritual clearing out of riders for a whole new set up for the next season is the height of madness. Can you imagine the uproar if football tried that? Develop a fan loyalty base, bin the points limit, and let promoter build the team they want and their supporters can relate to over time and can support commercially.

 

5 hours ago, oldtimer said:

Sadly I agree with every word, apart from bin the points limit.  

It is a shame you both chose not to attend this season but you did miss some cracking racing over the season! You unfortunately also missed watching riders like Anders improve week by week and I am sure that I am not alone in hoping he is back in 2020 and beyond as a Rebel.

Think back to 2013 when Wrighty arrived as a reserve to replace Stefan Nielsen. No one was overly happy at that time that Stefan had been dropped by Gazza but Wrighty was back for 2014 and subsequent seasons and the rest is history as they say as the legend grew. I don't recall Charles ever getting as close to the fence at the OTA in those early days as he does now. Who is to say Anders won't take on that 'Wrighty mantle' in the seasons to come?? The lad has already grown in popularity over the season with the fans that attend each week and he interacts with the fans really well in my opinion for someone so young. He has to be nailed on to receive one if not more awards at the Presentation night on November 2nd.

I am sure the fact of us witnessing great racing at the OTA will be exactly the same in 2020 whatever division and whoever the guys are out on track for the Rebels or the opposition and who knows they might be spoken about as a Rebels legend in a few seasons if we give them the chance and our support.

[CountyGround]

On 10/19/2019 at 10:50 AM, geoff100 said:

Back in the seventies we had pretty much the same team at workington for 6 seasons just an odd change, all the old fans who get on the bug red bus still talk about those riders? Taffy lou mal mackay etc, that was our team not anymore these days , no disrespect to harris but he changes team every year now how can fans  get a bond with him.

I've been saying this for a years, we should see much more team loyalty to riders & riders to their teams. The BSPA have lost the importance this has to keep the fans & sponsors.

As for Somerset 2020 there's no Chris Harris or Jake Allen very little chance of Charles Wright all would have been very popular signings on the terraces (or grass bank). 

[wtf]

10 hours ago, CountyGround said:

I've been saying this for a years, we should see much more team loyalty to riders & riders to their teams. The BSPA have lost the importance this has to keep the fans & sponsors.

As for Somerset 2020 there's no Chris Harris or Jake Allen very little chance of Charles Wright all would have been very popular signings on the terraces (or grass bank). 

The problem these days is loyalty is a 2 way thing. The riders have to feel valued rather than disposable if you want loyalty from them, and at the same time riders need to give value to their employers by understanding there is more to it than just turning up riding and running away. They have to put the extra effort into contributing to the "show". 

Unfortunately too much of the time now each side is trying to get one over the other. something has to change with the way both sides are thinking.

Been saying for more years than I can remember if you pay riders as individuals don't be surprised if they act like them. The sport needs to understand that if you reward riders as a team based on team results, you'll probably get a better reaction from them as a team. eg No one lends bikes out these days do they. What a shock, but if the whole team might lose a cash bonus as a result? who's knows what might happen. 

Both side are clueless sometimes, trying to score cheap points over each other. It's like watching primary school kids in a playground sometimes. Sometimes I thing they both deserve each other.

 

[Ghosty]

Does anyone know where you can find a list of teams rider assets.  I know Poole have a lot & Somerset few but don't know who.

[SteveLyric2]

No.

[Buttons]

All very quiet on the Somerset thread !

On 10/17/2019 at 7:07 PM, crescent girl said:

Don't you mean that YOU want to see?  It is better to have a happy team, riding to a constructive budget than pandering to the demands of 'fans' who have no real connection to the real world?