Booey boy Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Sorry but this Poole fan would like to comment!! I congratulated the Ipswich team for beating Poole as all of their 1-7 turned up and did their jobs whereas Poole's didn't. Simple as. BUT for Ippo fans to say their team 'gave their all' against Swindon is surely stretching reality a little far?! You were let down by King and NKI - neither reaching double figures - just like Poole's 1 and 5 in the semi. Also having a non-scoring reserve didn't help your cause - but thats as much down to management decisions as anything else. I think you have missed two out there Harris and Lawson didn't do a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Sorry but this Poole fan would like to comment!! I congratulated the Ipswich team for beating Poole as all of their 1-7 turned up and did their jobs whereas Poole's didn't. Simple as. BUT for Ippo fans to say their team 'gave their all' against Swindon is surely stretching reality a little far?! You were let down by King and NKI - neither reaching double figures - just like Poole's 1 and 5 in the semi. Also having a non-scoring reserve didn't help your cause - but thats as much down to management decisions as anything else. Just because certain riders didn’t score what you expect doesn’t mean they were not giving it their all. They came up against a stronger team who scored more. I saw holders “efforts “ at foxhall and it’s incomparable to the effort put in by the ipswich riders. maybe I see riders as humans rather than point scoring machines 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Sorry but this Poole fan would like to comment!! I congratulated the Ipswich team for beating Poole as all of their 1-7 turned up and did their jobs whereas Poole's didn't. Simple as. BUT for Ippo fans to say their team 'gave their all' against Swindon is surely stretching reality a little far?! You were let down by King and NKI - neither reaching double figures - just like Poole's 1 and 5 in the semi. Also having a non-scoring reserve didn't help your cause - but thats as much down to management decisions as anything else. Huge difference between giving it all and simply not trying Danny was poor last night but he gave it everything he just couldnt get the set up right and never made a gate....nobody will be hurting more than him this morning Kurtz and Holder didnt lift a finger in the semi second leg...they clearly didnt give their all, Holder crying off like a big girls blouse We got beat by a better team with better riders........but all our boys busted a gut they just werent good enough...........would rather see the boys trying then do what Kurtz and Holder did.............reminded me of Kasprzak who looked either a world beater or a junior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Absolutely. You are also forgetting Harris who was simply useless. In the second semi at Ipswich Holder and Kurtz were woeful, put off by a deep track and not even attempting to disguise their thoughts of conditions. We were rightly beaten. Chris Harris wasnt woeful ...your speedway knowledge is p1ss poor. Harris has never liked Foxhall and ive yet to see him go really well there Last night in his first ride he beat Jensen, who didnt drop another point. He was holding off the fast Ellis before he fell and then did challenge Doyle for a couple of laps.......he then passed Batchelor in his next ride to get us a 5-1........................his last ride he was stuck a bit mid track behind Jake and a great ride form Perks and a mistake from Harris cost him a point..... Harris at Foxhall is only good for 7-8 max and on a track that he doesnt go well at on a surface that because of the weather didnt suit him.......he did roughly what was expected You just simply post for a reaction...................your team were woefully sunk in the semi so do everyone a favour and let the real fans caht 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Racin Jason 72 said: Just because certain riders didn’t score what you expect doesn’t mean they were not giving it their all. They came up against a stronger team who scored more. I saw holders “efforts “ at foxhall and it’s incomparable to the effort put in by the ipswich riders. maybe I see riders as humans rather than point scoring machines spot on mate Its the bitter bitter Poole fans on here that simply seem to want to troll and wind people up with their posts............... Edited October 16, 2019 by Gavan 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Gavan said: I dont think its missing something about Perks....its the level he is.....a 3-4 pointer in the top league. He wasnt signed to get 7 or 8 points but if he can away and score 5 or 6 then job done Not sure whether you think 3 to 4 points or 5 to 6 is what we should expect from Perks. He’s a battler but he’s not a trump card at reserve like Covatti, Douglas, Becker, Allen or Berge have been at times this season. His average is an underwhelming 3.57. Hopefully next season will see a break through for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 19 minutes ago, Gavan said: Chris Harris wasnt woeful ...your speedway knowledge is p1ss poor. Harris has never liked Foxhall and ive yet to see him go really well there Last night in his first ride he beat Jensen, who didnt drop another point. He was holding off the fast Ellis before he fell and then did challenge Doyle for a couple of laps.......he then passed Batchelor in his next ride to get us a 5-1........................his last ride he was stuck a bit mid track behind Jake and a great ride form Perks and a mistake from Harris cost him a point..... Harris at Foxhall is only good for 7-8 max and on a track that he doesnt go well at on a surface that because of the weather didnt suit him.......he did roughly what was expected You just simply post for a reaction...................your team were woefully sunk in the semi so do everyone a favour and let the real fans caht You say he posts for a reaction yet you bite every single time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 For a thread that is about Ipswich V Swindon, can't believe the amount of Posts from Poole supporters who claim Poole would've done better. Fact is you are not in the final. For these supporters to say that Ipswich weren't giving it their all is complete and utter bull. This is a final and if they think that they are living in cloud cuckoo land. Swindon are just too strong and would beat any of the other play-off teams. No disgrace in that. The track favoured Swindon last night as we are not a team of gaters, we didn't get the results in the reruns of races that were stopped, but that's speedway. Swindon looked sharper than us but that could've something to do with not riding for two weeks waiting for the second semi to be completed. Anyway Ipswich have surpassed all expectations from a lot of fans this year and hope we can put up a good showing tomorrow at Swindon. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 46 minutes ago, mj82 said: Everyone can have an opinion. What's happened before tho means nothing as proven when you won twice at Ipswich then lost in the semi by let's face it a massive mulluring. Ipswich beat Swindon the other week at home but lost last nigh at home against them. Its on the night and past wins or defeats count for nothing. That's true, but you can only base your opinion on what's happened before! Although I will concede that if the track was wet, we prob wouldn't have had much of a chance either. Anyway a wet track and being annoyed with another team celebrating at half time is Ippo's only chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Perhaps it’s just me but a rider can ‘give their all’ and be ‘up for it’ but fail to score many points because they’ve been beaten by better riders on the night, or had an off night where they struggle to gate and find it hard to pass despite riding their socks off. There isn’t always a direct correlation between effort, attitude & commitment and points. Puk is a case in point, but for re runs he would have only dropped a point in heat 15. That’s speedway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 22 minutes ago, DC2 said: Not sure whether you think 3 to 4 points or 5 to 6 is what we should expect from Perks. He’s a battler but he’s not a trump card at reserve like Covatti, Douglas, Becker, Allen or Berge have been at times this season. His average is an underwhelming 3.57. Hopefully next season will see a break through for him. I do think that that is what you should expect Swindons team was built very top heavy and so therefore a contribution of around 9 or 10 from the 2 reserves combined will see you win most matches If you hadnt have gone so top heavy then you could have had a free scoring reserve Ipswich were winning matches early on because we had the best 2 reserves in the league often getting 16 or more between them..............we lost that potency from reserve when they moved up and then again when we signed Niels and had to have a lower scoring reserve in Sarjeant You cant build as top heavy as Swindon have and then have a Covatti or Allen................so yes if Ellis gets 5 a meeting then job done...............it will be seen wether he can make the next step and be a second string Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 24 minutes ago, DC2 said: Not sure whether you think 3 to 4 points or 5 to 6 is what we should expect from Perks. He’s a battler but he’s not a trump card at reserve like Covatti, Douglas, Becker, Allen or Berge have been at times this season. His average is an underwhelming 3.57. Hopefully next season will see a break through for him. Perks did his job... he outscored his fellow number 6 by 5 points. If that was the other way round the Witches would have won the meeting 46 -44. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, DC2 said: Not sure whether you think 3 to 4 points or 5 to 6 is what we should expect from Perks. He’s a battler but he’s not a trump card at reserve like Covatti, Douglas, Becker, Allen or Berge have been at times this season. His average is an underwhelming 3.57. Hopefully next season will see a break through for him. Sometimes comments on here really show up people’s lack of humility less of course speedway knowledge! Perks was brought in to help Swindon over loss of confidence of their reserves not to win matches on his own! For the guy to even return to UK after he was dropped so many times by other clubs because they needed strengthening gives him credit for his commitment. Edited October 16, 2019 by GWC 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, GWC said: Sometimes comments on here really show up people’s lack of humility less of course speedway knowledge! Perks was brought in to help Swindon over loss of confidence of their reserves not to win matches on his own! For the guy to even return to UK after he was dropped so many times by other clubs because they needed strengthening gives him slot of credit and commitment. Two or three seasons ago neither Perks nor Joe Jacobs was selected by any team and I started a CL thread suggesting that they should be, instead of the likes of Jan Graversen. My point was that for all the praise he’s still only a 3.57 PL rider. I do wish him all the best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Must of been one of the biggest crowds at Ipswich for many a season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Well done to Swindon, you will be worthy winners of the title. Top performance by your team except Batch who had an off night. Ipswich tried their best but just not good enough in the end . Can I just say I am not in the least bit bitter. No idea why Rosco thought the track was grippy it wasn't anywhere near as deep as when Poole rode there in the semi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Odds On said: Must of been one of the biggest crowds at Ipswich for many a season? Think it would have been much bigger if the meeting had been on a Saturday like the well attended semi final. And on the subject of Ellis Perks - his CL average has risen from 3.95 to 6.4 this season making him one of the most improved riders in British speedway this season. His current CL average is greater than Rasmus Jensen's was at the same age (5.92 for Somerset in 2015) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheese Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 What was the point of replacing Sarjeant with Allen in heat 11? Neither were likely to beat Doyle or Ellis, would have been better getting Sarjeant's 3rd ride out of the way then leaving Allen for 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 That was defo the wrong thing to do on this occasion, but Hawkins obviously had his reasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Odds On said: Must of been one of the biggest crowds at Ipswich for many a season? My estimate would be 3500+ possibly 4 Even one of the Doyle put crew commented on "the amazing crowd" in the pits after (number and noise) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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