R87 Posted November 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 5 hours ago, sommelier said: No, far from it, especially the Hans night was one of the poor attendances The Hans Nielsen one was organized at the last minute in fairness (about 2 weeks before I think). Certainly would have been better attended with more notice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R87 Posted November 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 4 hours ago, stevebrum said: That was a brilliant night. Same here, only one I’ve been to. Ole Olsens was the best one I think. Spoke very passionately about British speedway and was scathing about Tai not racing in the UK. The Correy/Ermolenko one was pretty good too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 I've been to quite a few of these and enjoyed all of them , could have done without Tai's language but apart from that it was a good night. Worst one for me was Greg Hancock, came across as he is I suppose.was never going to dish any dirt. The best one wasn't at the Cleveland, it was Lance King who told it how it was. Excellent night out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 2 hours ago, bruno said: I've been to quite a few of these and enjoyed all of them , could have done without Tai's language but apart from that it was a good night. Worst one for me was Greg Hancock, came across as he is I suppose.was never going to dish any dirt. The best one wasn't at the Cleveland, it was Lance King who told it how it was. Excellent night out Someone has told me Tai's book is full of the f-word too .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Trees said: Someone has told me Tai's book is full of the f-word too .... That’s true........ and there was no need for it, never is. Edited November 25, 2019 by OveFundinFan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Trees said: Someone has told me Tai's book is full of the f-word too .... He does mention it a few times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 7 hours ago, Wolfsbane said: Every time I heard him say stuff like 'I got the bugger' in his Swedish/Black Country accent I couldn't help pi$$ing myself laughing He did a turn at one of our end of season events and was absolutely hilarious, as you say his Swedish Black Country accent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, BWitcher said: The perfect example. How so many said they would never ever support Hamill... soon changed. I continued to watch my team during the Hamill years but with absolutely no joy that he was part of it. He was suffered. Edited November 25, 2019 by Beowulf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, OveFundinFan said: That’s true........ and there was no need for it, never is. In today’s society it’s perfectly acceptable whether we like it or not. Its written in Tai’s language so I don’t see the issue, unless it’s aimed solely at the teen market which it isn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted November 26, 2019 Report Share Posted November 26, 2019 3 hours ago, OveFundinFan said: That’s true........ and there was no need for it, never is. The publishers have to take some blame, as they have allowed it..................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted November 26, 2019 Report Share Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, stevebrum said: In today’s society it’s perfectly acceptable whether we like it or not. Its written in Tai’s language so I don’t see the issue, unless it’s aimed solely at the teen market which it isn’t. Is it perfectly acceptable in today’s society? I can’t remember having a referendum on this If it is perfectly acceptable in today’s society then why cannot you type such words on this (and other) forums without it being removed/altered/modified? Do you think if someone went for a job as a checkout operator in a supermarket and used such words at the interview they would get the job? Your HONEST answer to that simple question will tell you whether such language is perfectly acceptable in today’s society. Consider this, it was only about 3 years ago that foul language was often used in interviews by speedway riders (not the interviewer) at the Speedway GPs. Apologise for foul language were frequently given to viewers after the interviews, which indicate such language was NOT perfectly acceptable to the broadcasting company. Further, have you not noticed that now very rarely do you hear a speedway rider using foul language when being interviewed, even after an emotionally charged race. Why is this? More then likely the broadcasting company has said “look guys, foul language is not perfectly acceptable in today’s society, it has to stop, and stop now, or your interviews will NOT take place. Now go and have a chat with your sponsors and see what they think about what you just been told before you make a decision”. I can’t think of another sport that regularly appears on TV (MotGP, football, rugby, boxing etc), where contestants use foul language on such a regular basis (if at all) as was happening in speedway interviews a few years back, and at the highest level. Maybe, just maybe, the perceived acceptability of such foul language in sport could lead to viewers thinking “that’s not a sport I wish to take my family to, its more a foul mouthed yob sport”. Re Tai’s book. I bought it (on line version), read every page, my view is (and I have expressed this before on this forum), it is an “ok” read, some interesting sections, mostly very flat though. In my view it is written too soon, better he had waited until he retired, IMO. As to the foul language...... it added nothing to the read. Edited November 26, 2019 by OveFundinFan 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 26, 2019 Report Share Posted November 26, 2019 9 hours ago, stevebrum said: In today’s society it’s perfectly acceptable whether we like it or not. Its written in Tai’s language so I don’t see the issue, unless it’s aimed solely at the teen market which it isn’t. No it's not. Go stand in any City Centre and read it out aloud, and you would be arrested... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 26, 2019 Report Share Posted November 26, 2019 3 hours ago, OveFundinFan said: Is it perfectly acceptable in today’s society? I can’t remember having a referendum on this If it is perfectly acceptable in today’s society then why cannot you type such words on this (and other) forums without it being removed/altered/modified? Do you think if someone went for a job as a checkout operator in a supermarket and used such words at the interview they would get the job? Your HONEST answer to that simple question will tell you whether such language is perfectly acceptable in today’s society. Consider this, it was only about 3 years ago that foul language was often used in interviews by speedway riders (not the interviewer) at the Speedway GPs. Apologise for foul language were frequently given to viewers after the interviews, which indicate such language was NOT perfectly acceptable to the broadcasting company. Further, have you not noticed that now very rarely do you hear a speedway rider using foul language when being interviewed, even after an emotionally charged race. Why is this? More then likely the broadcasting company has said “look guys, foul language is not perfectly acceptable in today’s society, it has to stop, and stop now, or your interviews will NOT take place. Now go and have a chat with your sponsors and see what they think about what you just been told before you make a decision”. I can’t think of another sport that regularly appears on TV (MotGP, football, rugby, boxing etc), where contestants use foul language on such a regular basis (if at all) as was happening in speedway interviews a few years back, and at the highest level. Maybe, just maybe, the perceived acceptability of such foul language in sport could lead to viewers thinking “that’s not a sport I wish to take my family to, its more a foul mouthed yob sport”. Re Tai’s book. I bought it (on line version), read every page, my view is (and I have expressed this before on this forum), it is an “ok” read, some interesting sections, mostly very flat though. In my view it is written too soon, better he had waited until he retired, IMO. As to the foul language...... it added nothing to the read. We are only talking about Tai’s book in reference to the use of swearing. He swears a lot, although very reserved and professional on camera. The book makes Tai real in reading which I believe is the whole point. Obviously certain words are censored on most platforms because the masses still find them unacceptable. (Although the hypocrisy of people who swear themselves moaning about hearing it in TV, social media and books isn’t lost on me). If you can honestly say you have never sworn and never would then your point may be valid in this instance. Again YOUR honest answer will give you an indication of what’s right in this instance. 18 minutes ago, Blupanther said: No it's not. Go stand in any City Centre and read it out aloud, and you would be arrested... I hear swearing from many people in any city centre. However if you stand preaching swear words at people you might be arrested. As stated above if you can honestly say you have never sworn in your life then you have a valid point. In the real world swear words are common place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 26, 2019 Report Share Posted November 26, 2019 Tai told his life story to Peter Oakes, and it was up to Peter Oakes whether or not to use any swear words in the book. I think a lot of people would swear when talking at length like that. It was up to Peter whether or not to use those words in the text. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted November 26, 2019 Report Share Posted November 26, 2019 10 hours ago, Beowulf said: I continued to watch my team during the Hamill years but with absolutely no joy that he was part of it. He was suffered. I quite enjoyed visiting Monmore when Andy Phillips was at reserve for the Heathens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted November 26, 2019 Report Share Posted November 26, 2019 37 minutes ago, Blupanther said: No it's not. Go stand in any City Centre and read it out aloud, and you would be arrested... Agreed. Foul language is foul and it makes the person using it to appear uneducated and disrespectful to those who happen to hear it. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted November 26, 2019 Report Share Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Grachan said: Tai told his life story to Peter Oakes, and it was up to Peter Oakes whether or not to use any swear words in the book. I think a lot of people would swear when talking at length like that. It was up to Peter whether or not to use those words in the text. It was wholly up to Tai to choose using foul words or not in the first place when pen went to paper. Since Tai has stopped swearing in front of TV cameras he has actually got more likeable in my estimation. When now being interviewed a different personality seems to across, definitely more likeable, and he has a sense of humour as was displayed when “guesting” with Pearson and Tatum. Edited November 26, 2019 by OveFundinFan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 26, 2019 Report Share Posted November 26, 2019 Just now, OveFundinFan said: It was wholly up to Tai to choose using foul words or not in the first place when pen went to paper. Swear words are pretty common in all forms of literature other than children's books. You pay your money and take your choice, I guess. Personally I'm not sure it is necessary in a sports auto-biography, but it doesn't bother me. It wouldn't have been wholly up to Tai. It would have been a decision made by both of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted November 26, 2019 Report Share Posted November 26, 2019 42 minutes ago, DC2 said: Agreed. Foul language is foul and it makes the person using it to appear uneducated and disrespectful to those who happen to hear it. I agree and also totally unnecessary. English is a rich language and if you cannot express yourself without using unnecessary words then it points to something. I also dislike 'like' 'revert back' 'literally' 'even' but I guess language evolves although with a 9 year old I do occasionally have to respond! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted November 26, 2019 Report Share Posted November 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: I agree and also totally unnecessary. English is a rich language and if you cannot express yourself without using unnecessary words then it points to something. I also dislike 'like' 'revert back' 'literally' 'even' but I guess language evolves although with a 9 year old I do occasionally have to respond! Yes, youngsters seem to be favouring “literally” over “like” now. I guess it’s a move in the right direction to replace ten “like” with three “literally”. I’m literally over the moon, as they would say. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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