flipper11 Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 43 minutes ago, iainb said: I don't really follow the NDL but I assume that as Leicester finished top of the league they elected to ride at Kent first so as to have the advantage of running the 2nd leg at home, in case of golden heats. So why would they now agree to allow Kent to run the 2nd leg? But as they were going to turn up tonight without Ellis Perks, I wonder if they really care whether they win the play off or not... it's things like this that devalue the competition. By finishing top Cubs had choice of opponent in the semi, they chose Cradley. After that it is up to the promoters of the finalists to decide the dates (Kent v Cubs) Leicester do not have a choice of 1st or 2nd, as it happened Kent were to have the 1st leg, as this was then rained off they now have the 2nd leg. Im not sure why you feel having a rain off & the 1st leg devalues the competition. Im sure the team haven't ridden all season & finished top of the league not to care about winning now. As Arnieg said the important thing with all the rain offs is to get the meeting on. As for Perks missing, that is unfortunate but is part & parcel of the NL, as the best riders in the NL ride in the league(s) above & dates are always likely to clash. Although Perks is the man of the moment in the NL I don't think having Morley would have weakened Cubs much at Central Park. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 Apart from the physical bit of seeing your team lift the trophy at home in the second leg, can assure you there's nothing worse than not winning it overall at home especially if you've topped the league. Plus point of the first leg is you're guaranteed 15 heats of all out racing, not always the case in the second leg. So in my mind doesn't matter which way round, just want 2 dry nights,2 well prepared tracks and safe racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 3 hours ago, arnieg said: Faced with seven meetings to arrange at fairly short notice in October and endless rain I imagine that the principle factor for Leicester's management is simply getting the meetings on. Just crazy that Leicester have that amount of meetings to get sorted in the middle of October! When they have their AGM this really needs looking at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, blueherb777 said: Just crazy that Leicester have that amount of meetings to get sorted in the middle of October! When they have their AGM this really needs looking at. Both the Lions and the Cubs have reached the finals of the play offs and cup competitions. It's inevitable they would have a fixture backlog with the wet end to the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, blueherb777 said: When they have their AGM this really needs looking at. It does but it will probably get pushed back twice due to the forecast.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Tbh over the past 5 years I dont recall that many rain offs in October tbh, i do recall freezing my nuts of on occasions though lol. The point i am trying to make is, is we have just had an unlucky few weeks weather wise. Whilst I can see the reasoning behind calls to make the play offs earlier, in truth the season is already too short for many of us, plz let's not campaign to make it shorter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 40 minutes ago, teaboy279 said: Tbh over the past 5 years I dont recall that many rain offs in October tbh, i do recall freezing my nuts of on occasions though lol. The point i am trying to make is, is we have just had an unlucky few weeks weather wise. Whilst I can see the reasoning behind calls to make the play offs earlier, in truth the season is already too short for many of us, plz let's not campaign to make it shorter. Im certainly not arguing to make it shorter, i am merely suggesting that the most important fixtures (league & play offs) are sorted first and then then the additional competitions (KO cup, Nat Trophy, grudge match challenges etc) at the back end of the year so at least a 'proper' league (play off) champion can be crowned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Echo what s4s is saying 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueherb777 Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: Im certainly not arguing to make it shorter, i am merely suggesting that the most important fixtures (league & play offs) are sorted first and then then the additional competitions (KO cup, Nat Trophy, grudge match challenges etc) at the back end of the year so at least a 'proper' league (play off) champion can be crowned. Cannot agree more.....surely you want the League to be decided when the chances of conditions are best and more importantly the weather is warmer and supporters will turn out in greater numbers! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Sings4Speedway said: Im certainly not arguing to make it shorter, i am merely suggesting that the most important fixtures (league & play offs) are sorted first and then then the additional competitions (KO cup, Nat Trophy, grudge match challenges etc) at the back end of the year so at least a 'proper' league (play off) champion can be crowned. If this had been a dry October, as is often the case, we would not have heard this suggestion of earlier league finals. Go back as many years as you like (and I go back a good many) , and you will find that finals of almost all competitions are in October. Because the meetings ARE important, fans turn out in big numbers even though it's much cooler. They would not leave the warmth of their homes for challenge matches as they might in mid-summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 37 minutes ago, East End Fan said: If this had been a dry October, as is often the case, we would not have heard this suggestion of earlier league finals. Go back as many years as you like (and I go back a good many) , and you will find that finals of almost all competitions are in October. Because the meetings ARE important, fans turn out in big numbers even though it's much cooler. They would not leave the warmth of their homes for challenge matches as they might in mid-summer. Surely one of the big issues with the sport is that the insistence on using the approach that "its always been like that" is still in play. Because nothing is evolving its falling behind. If promotions cannot draw spectators out later in the year when its cooler then they need to look harder at the product they are serving up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted October 15, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 The problem with your suggestions S4K, is if the league title is decided in say August then doesn’t it make all the other meetings anti-climatic? There’s be terribleness attendances for NT fixtures in September when your club has had an awful league campaign and there’s no optimism left. An alternative would be to actually start the whole campaign at a reasonable time at the start of April and have regular meeting at throughout the summer without long gaps between home fixtures. Then all the competitions can conclude at a reasonable time to allow the play-offs and cup finals in early September. Then use late September in case of rain-offs and October can be season finale one-off meetings like Cradley’s Hammer meeting, IOW ran a 3 team tournament and Kent would run one this year if they hand time! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Islander15 said: The problem with your suggestions S4K, is if the league title is decided in say August then doesn’t it make all the other meetings anti-climatic? There’s be terribleness attendances for NT fixtures in September when your club has had an awful league campaign and there’s no optimism left. An alternative would be to actually start the whole campaign at a reasonable time at the start of April and have regular meeting at throughout the summer without long gaps between home fixtures. Then all the competitions can conclude at a reasonable time to allow the play-offs and cup finals in early September. Then use late September in case of rain-offs and October can be season finale one-off meetings like Cradley’s Hammer meeting, IOW ran a 3 team tournament and Kent would run one this year if they hand time! I would certainly go along with the above and i do concede that deciding the league winner prior to other comps may take the stuffing out of some sides (although it would also give a team that struggled early but strengthened something left to fight for?). There will never be a happy fit for all but i would certainly like to see the best sides being able to compete in non contentious conditions and serve up entertainment for the loyal supporters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flipper11 Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 I don't see what the fuss is all about. There are 2 more weeks to get the league play off final completed, with a favourable forecast tomorrow at Leicester & same at Kent on Monday it will be job done in plenty of time. There has been an unusual amount of rain this October but there is still time to complete the remaining 2 matches. The cut off date to complete league matches if its not extended is middle of September that gives 6 weeks to complete the playoffs, that should be plenty of time. I don't see what bringing forward the cut off would achieve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Getting excited now, gotta get a few hours before I head to the train station and then head straight from leicester to another night shift..... But the biggest match in Kent's history, honestly a bag of nerves. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 hour ago, teaboy279 said: Getting excited now, gotta get a few hours before I head to the train station and then head straight from leicester to another night shift..... But the biggest match in Kent's history, honestly a bag of nerves. Tip my hat to you for pure dedication and these levels of excitement for fans is what the sport is really all about. Here's hoping your trip is enjoyable & entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bump Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, teaboy279 said: Getting excited now, gotta get a few hours before I head to the train station and then head straight from leicester to another night shift..... But the biggest match in Kent's history, honestly a bag of nerves. Looking forward to it. Absolutely lobbed it down Monday and early yesterday, today is thankfully dry & breezy. Should be a decent meeting. Edited October 16, 2019 by Mr Bump 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruckerroo Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 hopefully the kings can keep it to below 10 to make a corking 2nd leg, lester have a great side but the ruddick issue is a bit of a grey area for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Crusader Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 52 minutes ago, ruckerroo said: hopefully the kings can keep it to below 10 to make a corking 2nd leg, lester have a great side but the ruddick issue is a bit of a grey area for me I hope so too. Don't understand Ruddick issue either his average is shown as below 7 but every rider except Ellis can cover for him which is an unfair advantage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted October 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Congrats to Leicester on the title win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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