False dawn Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 We could have a system whereby if you get two last places and that's your night over. Hang on, wait a minute, we tried that and didn't Andy Smith go to Oz for two races once? For me, having a system where every race has significance cannot be improved upon. Oh I know we get the occasional GP winner who wasn't the top scorer on the night. But so what? A GP first is an accolade but we are, after all, trying to determine who is the WC. I don't for a minute think that Mark Loram cared about not winning GPs when he became WC. I know the scoring system was different then, but you see what I mean. There was considerable interest (for me anyway) in the 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th YTD competition on Saturday. And every point counted. I think things might have been different if two key players hadn't already booked their places, but that's a different discussion. Every point, every race counts. Right from the off in the 1st GP to the final final. A great idea. I have the means to follow progress race by race on my own spreadsheet programme. Maybe the big screens and TV could make more of the significance of scoring throughout the field. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 i'm guessing this means changes to the SoN scoring system too then? the older 24 rider GP system was incredibly unfair when it came to gate positions, i think Rickardsson, although a brilliant rider, benefited from this system greatly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 minute ago, stevehone said: i'm guessing this means changes to the SoN scoring system too then? the older 24 rider GP system was incredibly unfair when it came to gate positions, i think Rickardsson, although a brilliant rider, benefited from this system greatly Changing from Pedigree Chum to PAL. It will still be a dog's breakfast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baiden Posted October 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, stevehone said: i'm guessing this means changes to the SoN scoring system too then? the older 24 rider GP system was incredibly unfair when it came to gate positions, i think Rickardsson, although a brilliant rider, benefited from this system greatly Not sure about the SoN scoring system, very little news coming out about it before the Frankfurt Conference. Final penciled in for May 9th in Manchester, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, baiden said: Not sure about the SoN scoring system, very little news coming out about it before the Frankfurt Conference. Final penciled in for May 9th in Manchester, though. SoN final May 9th. Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baiden Posted October 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 Just now, f-s-p said: SoN final May 9th. Really? Yep, apparently so. It's going to be an early one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, f-s-p said: SoN final May 9th. Really? Another plot to keep Finland out !!! They will still be in hibernation from winter ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, iris123 said: Another plot to keep Finland out !!! They will still be in hibernation from winter ? if the final is in BV on May 9th our Event will probably be in Macon on April 1st. Cant go further in Europe from HEL than Macon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 On 10/9/2019 at 2:55 PM, baiden said: Spotowe Fakty reporting that a raft of changes are on the cards (although there is opposition to it - and it's unlikely to happen if Discovery take over the rights from BSI in 2022) - New scoring system - Top five only to qualify for the following season - with SEC winner also guaranteed a place - New qualification system - Russian GP at Togliatti (replacing Krsko) The new scoring system would be very familiar (same system used as before, which ended in 2006) with 25 points for the winner, 20 for the second, 18 for the third and 16 for the fourth. Others would add as many points as they scored on the track. Final decision will be made, and announced after the Frankfurt Conference (Nov 2-3). If SEC champ gets an auto slot then AMA and Argentinian champs + Aussie champ should get in aswell since one continental champ gets in — > all should get in. Its the world championship. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 I for one don`t think any changes will happen in 2020 or 21 under the present contract- and certainly why would BSI want the SEC champion in the GP`s ? - all that would do probably would be more GP riders entering the SEC qualifying than now. One Sport might like it but it won`t happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, f-s-p said: If SEC champ gets an auto slot then AMA and Argentinian champs + Aussie champ should get in aswell since one continental champ gets in — > all should get in. Its the world championship. You can’t compare the SEC with multi country entry. Most of the best riders in the world could possibly enter, with the Argentinian Championship, which could well be won by some low level Pole or Finnish rider? Oh I think I have rumbled your concept Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, iris123 said: You can’t compare the SEC with multi country entry. Most of the best riders in the world could possibly enter, with the Argentinian Championship, which could well be won by some low level Pole or Finnish rider? Oh I think I have rumbled your concept The Argentinian round is the only way for you brits to get a second entry to SGP! Could place a small bet that no Finnish rider ever has competed in Argentina. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, f-s-p said: The Argentinian round is the only way for you brits to get a second entry to SGP! Could place a small bet that no Finnish rider ever has competed in Argentina. Oh,i thought Aarnio had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, iris123 said: Oh,i thought Aarnio had Seriously doubt that Aarnio has been racing in Argentina. We've had loads in Oz and NZ, Kylmä definately was in the States this decade, but Argentina I say no. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 Disregarding Argentina, which is not at the same level as others, but there will be an inaugural F.I.M. Oceania Solo Championship in Austarlia this or early next year. And there is also an F.I.M. North America Final to be held on December 7 at the Perris Speedway in California. SGP wild cards for the European champion, Oceania champion, and North America Champion doesn't seem such a bad idea ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 I reckon of the 15 riders next year there's 5 in with a shot of the top spot 5 who have a chance but more likely chasing a top 8 finish and 5 who will finish 11-15. Any guesses on the 3 blocks of 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 On 10/13/2019 at 5:17 PM, bruno said: I reckon of the 15 riders next year there's 5 in with a shot of the top spot 5 who have a chance but more likely chasing a top 8 finish and 5 who will finish 11-15. Any guesses on the 3 blocks of 5 Zmarzlik, Madsen, Sayfutdinov, Woffinden, Janowski. Doyle, Lindgren, Vaculík, Iversen, Laguta. Lindbäck, Dudek, Hancock, Žagar, Fricke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) Zmarzlik, Madsen, Emil, Woffy, Doyle, Janowski, Lindgren, Vaculik, Iversen, Hancock, Dudek, Laguta, Fricke, Zagar, Lindback Not in any order within each 5 Movers could be Janowski up to level 1, Doyle down to L2 Hamcock and/or Iversen could go down to L3, Fricke and/or Zagar could go up to L2. Edited October 15, 2019 by OveFundinFan Should have read “Not in any order“ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 Interesting, we have an identical top 9 & bottom 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted October 15, 2019 Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) Top 4 sort themselves easily, same with some middle and end ones, but potentially some movers. Edited October 15, 2019 by OveFundinFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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