Bavarian Posted May 23, 2020 Report Share Posted May 23, 2020 On 5/22/2020 at 11:11 PM, Mark said: Riders do not have the other leagues to pay in 2020 but in 2021 they could be back. It would be hard to a rider to have onbly 4 rides each week and remain in top form. A few bad meetings and the pay scale goes very wrong. Expand The UK based riders could still earn some extra money by riding in the Swedish or Danish leagues (equally affected by the Polish demands of one rider one club) and would be more than welcome to race speedway and long-track here in Germany, as did nearly all of the top British League speedway riders back in the 1970s and '80s. Some co-operation between the UK, Sweden, Denmark, and Germany, would strenghten our position against the Polish threat. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted May 23, 2020 Report Share Posted May 23, 2020 On 5/23/2020 at 6:41 AM, Bavarian said: The UK based riders could still earn some extra money by riding in the Swedish or Danish leagues (equally affected by the Polish demands of one rider one club) and would be more than welcome to race speedway and long-track here in Germany, as did nearly all of the top British League speedway riders back in the 1970s and '80s. Some co-operation between the UK, Sweden, Denmark, and Germany, would strenghten our position against the Polish threat. Expand Do you have a 14 day quarantine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted May 23, 2020 Report Share Posted May 23, 2020 At the moment, yes, but not for very much longer. German borders will be re-opened again in mid-June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 23, 2020 Report Share Posted May 23, 2020 On 5/23/2020 at 6:41 AM, Bavarian said: The UK based riders could still earn some extra money by riding in the Swedish or Danish leagues (equally affected by the Polish demands of one rider one club) and would be more than welcome to race speedway and long-track here in Germany, as did nearly all of the top British League speedway riders back in the 1970s and '80s. Some co-operation between the UK, Sweden, Denmark, and Germany, would strenghten our position against the Polish threat. Expand but isn’t the UK introducing quarantine from next month of 24 days ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2020 On 5/23/2020 at 7:09 AM, iris123 said: but isn’t the UK introducing quarantine from next month of 24 days ? Expand yes but 14 days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted May 23, 2020 Report Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) On 5/23/2020 at 7:11 AM, racers and royals said: yes but 14 days. Expand Wanted to write that, not 24 Thing is how does it work. As far as I know here, you have to be out of the country 73 hours, before you have to go into quarantine. So a quick trip to another country would be ok Edited May 23, 2020 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted May 23, 2020 Report Share Posted May 23, 2020 On 5/23/2020 at 7:15 AM, iris123 said: Wanted to write that, not 24 Thing is how does it work. As far as I know here, you have to be out of the country 73 hours, before you have to go into quarantine. So a quick trip to another country would be ok Expand Haven’t seen that mentioned but Patel did say there would be some exceptions. 14 days quarantine required here from 8 June but of course that could well be lifted by July. Personally I would like to see the government state now whether or not it intends for spectator events to recommence on 1 August. That would give the BSPA a chance to plan for a three month season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted May 23, 2020 Report Share Posted May 23, 2020 On 5/23/2020 at 7:42 AM, DC2 said: Haven’t seen that mentioned but Patel did say there would be some exceptions. 14 days quarantine required here from 8 June but of course that could well be lifted by July. Personally I would like to see the government state now whether or not it intends for spectator events to recommence on 1 August. That would give the BSPA a chance to plan for a three month season. Expand No way the Government can say what can happen in August without knowing the R rate in July. Its vital. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted May 23, 2020 Report Share Posted May 23, 2020 On 5/23/2020 at 10:23 AM, Mark said: No way the Government can say what can happen in August without knowing the R rate in July. Its vital. Expand Can they not say “provided the R rate is below 1 we will allow outdoor events of up to 5,000 people where two metre distancing can be practised”? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted May 23, 2020 Report Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) On 5/23/2020 at 10:31 AM, DC2 said: Can they not say “provided the R rate is below 1 we will allow outdoor events of up to 5,000 people where two metre distancing can be practised”? Expand They could but wont. Will 2m distancing be required come August. No one knows. Leave decision as late as possible. Government said they hoped schools can reopen June 1st. Not 100% but a very hopeful reality. Look what trouble that caused. Edited May 23, 2020 by Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted May 23, 2020 Report Share Posted May 23, 2020 On 5/23/2020 at 1:05 PM, Mark said: They could but wont. Will 2m distancing be required come August. No one knows. Leave decision as late as possible. Government said they hoped schools can reopen June 1st. Not 100% but a very hopeful reality. Look what trouble that caused. Expand Trouble can be caused by springing things on people; that’s why I suggested more advanced notice and guidance that’s based on a measurable criteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted May 23, 2020 Report Share Posted May 23, 2020 On 5/23/2020 at 1:17 PM, DC2 said: Trouble can be caused by springing things on people; that’s why I suggested more advanced notice and guidance that’s based on a measurable criteria. Expand the measurables are changing every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 23, 2020 Report Share Posted May 23, 2020 At the end of the day, as much as it stinks a little, if the PZM insist rider's ride there only if they want the big bucks who can blame them? The amount of money the Ekstraliga clubs pay they should have that right & restriction on rider's. It's a huge financial inconvenience when rider's get injured outside of Poland. The issue that may not have been thought through is with squad systems. You'd know as a rider whether you'd be a certain starter or not. You'd need to weigh up whether a signing on fee & 5-8 matches a year is worth it. I'm sure most would rather then dump Poland for rides in Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Czechia & UK (if it survives). That last paragraph alone could put the spanner in the PZM works more than the concerns from the top, top rider's in the world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 On 5/22/2020 at 10:03 PM, RobMcCaffery said: Isolation from Poland is sadly inevitable for both Britain and Sweden. Rather than be at the mercy of PZM's bulying both have to accept that it is not possible to use riders who race in the Polish Leagues and resource their leagues from those who don't. Already the needs of Poland, and BSI have crippled British speedway. It can only get worse. It's time to rebuild employing riders who will be allowed to race freely here. Let the Poles do their thing, even if it means having to say goodbye to some of our own riders. We cannot go on this way. Poland isn't going to change as long as the money's flowing in. We have to. Expand Totally agree, time to let the Poles and riders who wish to race there go. Rebuild our leagues using riders that are far more sustainable and start putting on a show for the viewing public with better presentation, tidy up some of the stadia and concentrate on making it a good night out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 On 5/24/2020 at 6:20 AM, M.D said: Totally agree, time to let the Poles and riders who wish to race there go. Rebuild our leagues using riders that are far more sustainable and start putting on a show for the viewing public with better presentation, tidy up some of the stadia and concentrate on making it a good night out. Expand Been the obvious next step for around the last decade or so... Yet, for some reason, British Promoters have steadfastly chosen to have their businesses hugely adversely impacted by running disjointed fixture lists, using many contrived septets of borrowed riders, (to accomodate individual riders own agendas), all on many nights when you wouldn't ordinarily want to be running a 'show' in the entertainment sector.. A very strange business plan.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 (edited) On 5/24/2020 at 11:19 AM, mikebv said: Been the obvious next step for around the last decade or so... Yet, for some reason, British Promoters have steadfastly chosen to have their businesses hugely adversely impacted by running disjointed fixture lists, using many contrived septets of borrowed riders, (to accomodate individual riders own agendas), all on many nights when you wouldn't ordinarily want to be running a 'show' in the entertainment sector.. A very strange business plan.. Expand We had it once Mike. We called it the National League. How it was allowed to be sold down the river in the name of amalgamation and the needs of one club in the nineties is still a mystery. Edited May 24, 2020 by RobMcCaffery 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 On 5/24/2020 at 12:29 PM, RobMcCaffery said: We had it once Mike. We called it the National League. How it was allowed to be sold down the river in the name of amalgamation and the needs of one club in the nineties is still a mystery. Expand Without going 'all our yesterdays', watching the many various meetings on YouTube from the 80's showed just how it worked too.. Crowds seemed to be very healthy indeed when compared to today.. Hardly any full time professionals on show, and all mainly with one decent bike and a 'good enough' spare.. The best riders were also in the main, the only ones who rode in the top league at the same time, and for many of them it was a 'toe being dipped into the water' to see if they could compete at that level before moving up permanently, rather than the necessity it has become for dozens of riders of various standard so they can earn more to afford the cost of riding.. It was interesting to read Shawn Morans interview in the SS a couple of weeks back where he said he got £35 a point riding for Sheffield in the early 90's. That's equivalent to £88 a point today. I wonder how many world class No1's in the top league ride for £88 a point today? (And given their outgoings even be anywhere able to afford to).. Indeed. Could you get away with paying £88 a point to a second tier No1 nowadays? As you say, they had a pretty good business model, heaven knows how they lost sight of it.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted May 24, 2020 Report Share Posted May 24, 2020 There's nothing wrong with using historical perspective but we could now re-learn a great deal from what was good practice then. That's not blind, sentimental nostalgia talking. We had our own stars, a hugely varied fixture list with the league supported by early-season contests, the fours and pairs. The fixtures were full and varied and the crowds responded. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2020 Piotr Pawlicki has finally agreed terms with Leszno and will ride in 2020. Training can start from this Friday providing all social distancing regulations are kept to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panther1997 Posted May 27, 2020 Report Share Posted May 27, 2020 Good news that all 500 tests were negative. Does anyone know what is happening with Drabik? Is he banned or is he still able to ride this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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