acef Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, DC2 said: Got a feeling you’ve got your #1. Klindt. With the greatest of respect to him, Klindt is never a number 1. He's a decent second string/3rd heatleader. I'm pretty sure Ipswich will be solid across the 1 to 7 but like last season, they will struggle at the top end and in the big races. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 2 hours ago, DC2 said: Got a feeling you’ve got your #1. Klindt. 1 hour ago, Arch Stanton said: Probably, although a few seem to think we’ve signed Danny Ayres which muddies the water. If Klindt is at 1 then we’ve packed the reserves and Ayres doesn’t feature. I still like that proposed line up you put up tbh with Nicholls and Covatti at reserve. The 'new No1' doesnt necessarily have to have the highest starting average and come in at No1 whatever the reserve option It's really the 5th 6th and 7th riders everyone is guessing at. A week is a long time in politics and the same goes for speedway team building! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: The 'new No1' doesnt necessarily have to have the highest starting average and come in at No1 whatever the reserve option It's really the 5th 6th and 7th riders everyone is guessing at. A week is a long time in politics and the same goes for speedway team building! Surely the Number 1 does have to have the highest average and ride at 1 - unless that rule is changed for 2020?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) There are still a few options for our 5 6 7 riders, get that right and we will still be contenders, Edited December 15, 2019 by Baldyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Skidder1 said: Surely the Number 1 does have to have the highest average and ride at 1 - unless that rule is changed for 2020?! I think he means Chris Holder could sign on less than Klindt but become the number one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 Chris Harris was signed as a number 1 but ended up being a number 2..... Ipswich are after a rider that could ride at number 1 as have just shy of 8 points remaining. However it may be that he has a lower ave so to put Klindt (when announced) at 1 for the start of the season. E.g. if KK was signed he would technically be our new no 1... but has a lower ave than Klindt. If Zager was signed then he would be new no 1 AND ride at 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 Not so sure say holder and Ayres would outscore, Covatti and Nicholls, and going strong reserve route, could be any of Nicholls, Covatti Allen Heeps at any time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, 2ndbendbeerhut said: Chris Harris was signed as a number 1 but ended up being a number 2..... Ipswich are after a rider that could ride at number 1 as have just shy of 8 points remaining. However it may be that he has a lower ave so to put Klindt (when announced) at 1 for the start of the season. E.g. if KK was signed he would technically be our new no 1... but has a lower ave than Klindt. If Zager was signed then he would be new no 1 AND ride at 1. Well you obviously know who our 6 riders are,,, so who are they. I would guess currently,,,, klindt King Heeps Allen covatti and Ayres is a standby. And if its KK, he won't ever get to number 1,,,,,far too inconsistent,,, we have enough of those already The best we can hope for is Holder. Then I go back to my earlier point, who would score more. Edited December 15, 2019 by Baldyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 5 hours ago, DC2 said: I think he means Chris Holder could sign on less than Klindt but become the number one. What was Holder’s last average? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: What was Holder’s last average? About 7.2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, DC2 said: About 7.2. Don’t think anyone would argue that he’s not the rider he was at his peak, but you’d still take him on that figure surely. I would. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 22 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: What was Holder’s last average? 7.16 (last official average from 2017). Cant see much improvement in that tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Irving Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, stevebrum said: 7.16 (last official average from 2017). Cant see much improvement in that tbh. I could, especially riding for Ipswich. Holder has been a major beneficiary of Guy Nicholls’ sponsorship over the years, so I’d bet he’d give it more for “his” club (Ipswich) than he probably would for anyone else. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 Holder would easily improve on that average, okay he isn't world champ material currently,,, but he is only 32, plenty of miles left in the tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, Steve Irving said: I could, especially riding for Ipswich. Holder has been a major beneficiary of Guy Nicholls’ sponsorship over the years, so I’d bet he’d give it more for “his” club (Ipswich) than he probably would for anyone else. He was poor last time with Poole, a club he is meant to be the only club he wants to ride for. He had been in steady decline during his time in the UK 2 seasons ago. Of course if he really wanted to come back to prove a point then he would be a good bet because he has had the ability in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 18 minutes ago, stevebrum said: 7.16 (last official average from 2017). Cant see much improvement in that tbh. He’d achieve an 8 point average. Here is is in the Polish averages, above Jack Holder, Brady Kurtz and Robert Lambert, all comfortable 7.5 pointers here: https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/statystyki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, Baldyman said: Holder would easily improve on that average, okay he isn't world champ material currently,,, but he is only 32, plenty of miles left in the tank. Don’t think he would easily. Iversen dropped from 7.87 to 7.54 during his short spell with Ipswich, and I don’t see Holder at that standard any more either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, Baldyman said: Holder would easily improve on that average, okay he isn't world champ material currently,,, but he is only 32, plenty of miles left in the tank. Think easily is an overstatement. He'd be in and around that figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 minute ago, stevebrum said: He was poor last time with Poole, a club he is meant to be the only club he wants to ride for. He had been in steady decline during his time in the UK 2 seasons ago. Of course if he really wanted to come back to prove a point then he would be a good bet because he has had the ability in the past. Let's not forget Chris had some horrendous injuries as well as trying to move on from his best mate Darcy's career ending accident. There was also a lot of personal off track stuff that affected him deeply and still affects whether he gets a visa or not. If he signs at Ippo or anywhere else he'll be an 8 point rider for sure 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, DC2 said: He’d achieve an 8 point average. Here is is in the Polish averages, above Jack Holder, Brady Kurtz and Robert Lambert, all comfortable 7.5 pointers here: https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/statystyki Yet Iversen only achieved a small difference from 7.38 in 2018 to 7.54 in 2019. International averages have little to do with UK form which is more the point I’m making. Riders certainly don’t put the same priority to their UK racing as they do abroad which is evidenced by some of the most recent top line riders UK averages. (Holder, Iversen, KK, Zagar) edit. Above figures altered as used wrong year average as comparison. Edited December 15, 2019 by stevebrum Altered facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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