Falcon1983 Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 looking at the averages Witches Started with Crump 8.00 Klindt 7.43 King 6.66 Heeps 6.30 Stewart 4.00 Rowe 3.00 Kemp 3.00* Allen came in on a 5.56 to replace Klindt so Witches already lost 1.87 straight off Looking at the numbers from the last declaration Crump 5.54 (a loss of 2.46) Cook 7.23 (a loss of 0.36 having joined on a 7.59) King 7.46 (an increase of 0.80) Allen 4.88 (a loss of 0.68) Starke 4.85 (an increase of 0.58 having joined on a 4.27) Rowe 4.84 (an increase of 1.84 on his accessed average, although he had a season high average of 5.49 so could argue a loss) I think as Chris Louis said last night, the gamble with Crumpy failed, taking the injury aside, would it be any different? I think maybe an averge of 6/6.5 but still a huge drop from a starting average of 8.00, the loss of Klindt was a big loss perhaps the biggest loss of all, then you have 3 riders left 2 of which featured heavily at reserve at one stage and benefited but didn't within the main body of the team, and one rider who was left in the main body of the team who could of benefited from being at reserve for a while. Unfortunately none of us really see what goes on behind the scenes to understand who what when and why If its the same regs next season (probably won't be) i'd like to see the following Danny King Sam Jensen Hans Andersen Jason Crump Nicolai Klindt Jake Allen Anders Rowe R/S or if a drop down to the Championship something like Danny King Adam Ellis Jason Crump these 3 as a heat leader trio maybe a Tom Brennan plus a new foreigner such as Matthew Gilmore or Mads Hansen two from Drew Kemp / Dan Thompson / Jordan Jenkins for the reserve sports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin bass Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 I think it was spoke about going to two RS next year per team, mind you it'll all change b4 then and probably not for the better either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said: looking at the averages Witches Started with Crump 8.00 Klindt 7.43 King 6.66 Heeps 6.30 Stewart 4.00 Rowe 3.00 Kemp 3.00* As much stick as Cam got for his early form (and yes I agree he didn't quite look on it) at the time of his injury he was only 2 race points short of matching his average Post injury he was for a spell quite frankly dire. I think he probably shouldn't have been riding in truth. More recently though he has shown some signs of better form Wouldn't be shocked at all to see him back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 13 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said: looking at the averages Witches Started with Crump 8.00 Klindt 7.43 King 6.66 Heeps 6.30 Stewart 4.00 Rowe 3.00 Kemp 3.00* As much stick as Cam got for his early form (and yes I agree he didn't quite look on it) at the time of his injury he was only 2 race points short of matching his average Post injury he was for a spell quite frankly dire. I think he probably shouldn't have been riding in truth. More recently though he has shown some signs of better form Wouldn't be shocked at all to see him back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 2 hours ago, tellboy said: Why wouldn't he?He felt crap after his covid jab didn't he?When i had mine i felt absolutely awful the day after like i had the proper flu.But then the day after that i was fine. Maybe I’m just cynical but If he does ride it will be more fuel on the fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: As much stick as Cam got for his early form (and yes I agree he didn't quite look on it) at the time of his injury he was only 2 race points short of matching his average Post injury he was for a spell quite frankly dire. I think he probably shouldn't have been riding in truth. More recently though he has shown some signs of better form Wouldn't be shocked at all to see him back I wouldn't be surprised to see him back either,,, same issue though for Ipswich,,, same old same old that's failed time after time. We should be trying fresh new riders that could improve drastically over the next couple of years. And I will say it again,, it's where we should put on an individual,, invite these new riders and put them up against what we know are middle order riders at Foxhall and see how they go Edited September 3, 2021 by Baldyman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 covid reaction, isolation, family issues, mental issues, visa problems, sudden illness are all excuses but, seemingly, hard to prove wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon1983 Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 hour ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: As much stick as Cam got for his early form (and yes I agree he didn't quite look on it) at the time of his injury he was only 2 race points short of matching his average Post injury he was for a spell quite frankly dire. I think he probably shouldn't have been riding in truth. More recently though he has shown some signs of better form Wouldn't be shocked at all to see him back When omitted from Kings Lynn his average fell to 5.10 a big drop from 6.30 at the start with Ipswich His average to start the Season with Kent was 7.42 Latest declaration sees Heeps on 5.38 with Kent which is a big fall Think he will be in demand more in the CL if there is such a thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 4 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: As much stick as Cam got for his early form (and yes I agree he didn't quite look on it) at the time of his injury he was only 2 race points short of matching his average Post injury he was for a spell quite frankly dire. I think he probably shouldn't have been riding in truth. More recently though he has shown some signs of better form Wouldn't be shocked at all to see him back I would Danny has had an awesome season this year, Jake and Anders started like trains then fizzled. Drew has had an awful HOME season, however we know he is better than that so my choice would be Drew and Anders at reserve next year, obviously having the 2 * riders will put paid to the likes of bomber and hans cleaning up again. Paul Stark had a nightmare last night, bike packed up in his first race, then as he put it Nicholls tried to stuff me in the fence, but you can't take away from him that he's a trier, so I'd have him back. Never felt comfortable with cook as a witch, not a favourite of mine, so hopefully he's off. Jake is a favourite of mine, I have to admit, but I can understand why others aren't keen. So will Nicolai and Nico be available next season.? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 Lets get plenty of new young talent in and build for the next few years as they get better,, instead of going over the same old ground with the same old rider's that ain't ever getting any better. One big worry I have is the ability of those in charge to put a decent team together regularly,,, even Chris said he thought Jason would have done the job he was in to do,,,, is he having a laugh,,, no one else on the whole world thought Crump could do a number 1s job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 It wasn't fair to expect him to do that. I think he's better than his current average and he'd fit in nicely in the dad's army team next season on his current average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 Doesnt matter who rides in 2022 if the track is as dire as it has been for most of the season..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 Going on about getting new young talent, well nobody was willing to give Jordan the benefit after his first nervous meeting for us I seem to remember. I know he got injured quite early in the season but the moans from fans disputes the reality of having a young team that's likely to get beaten every meeting. Who'd be a promoter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Baldyman said: Lets get plenty of new young talent in and build for the next few years as they get better,, instead of going over the same old ground with the same old rider's that ain't ever getting any better. One way to do that is share the 'old heads' around rather than having three or four (even in the 2nd Div) per team.. Max two riders over "whatever mean figure exists", per team, for a set number of named riders.. Or even one "old head" over average "x" per team if one big league... Unfortunately the sport in the UK is simply set up for giving these "older heads" as many opportunities to race as possible and Promoters to feel good about themselves by some fans colluding with them that what they watch is "real".... So it won't happen.... So more of the same crock of 'Barry White" no doubt to be served up next year. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 I'm happy with what I've watched at Peterborough this season and that's with a team written off as wooden spoon winners by many before a wheel was turned 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 You will be pleased to know that Jake did recover from his covid jab and scored in every ride for Redcar tonight. now who would have thought it !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Badge said: Going on about getting new young talent, well nobody was willing to give Jordan the benefit after his first nervous meeting for us I seem to remember. I know he got injured quite early in the season but the moans from fans disputes the reality of having a young team that's likely to get beaten every meeting. Who'd be a promoter But that's why we should have a look at the younger talent before the season they may sign,,, Stewart was never going to live up to his average or even get close,,, that would have been spotted my way. There are some really good young foreign riders around in the under 21s,,,i wouldn't mind putting a pound on we have never looked at or spoken to any of them,,, and I bet some would jump at the chance of riding over here to improve the all round skills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 35 minutes ago, Flappy said: I'm happy with what I've watched at Peterborough this season and that's with a team written off as wooden spoon winners by many before a wheel was turned You have a fantastic race track,,,, most people would enjoy watching any team there every week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted September 3, 2021 Report Share Posted September 3, 2021 3 hours ago, mikebv said: One way to do that is share the 'old heads' around rather than having three or four (even in the 2nd Div) per team.. Max two riders over "whatever mean figure exists", per team, for a set number of named riders.. Or even one "old head" over average "x" per team if one big league... Unfortunately the sport in the UK is simply set up for giving these "older heads" as many opportunities to race as possible and Promoters to feel good about themselves by some fans colluding with them that what they watch is "real".... So it won't happen.... So more of the same crock of 'Barry White" no doubt to be served up next year. .. Age discrimination is illegal, can't see a rule being allowed that limits how many 30/40 years olds teams can use! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 4, 2021 Report Share Posted September 4, 2021 1 hour ago, szkocjasid said: Age discrimination is illegal, can't see a rule being allowed that limits how many 30/40 years olds teams can use! You wouldn't. .. It would be based on averages... Averages that invariably the more experienced and better riders (old heads), have higher than their less experienced and lesser capable counterparts.. At the moment some clubs in Div 2 have three of these riders, which is too many if you want a more equal, affordable league, and also means less places per septet for developing riders.. Interesting to note though that age is actually used at RS level as a criteria determinate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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