DC2 Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 minute ago, stevebrum said: Yet Iversen dropped from 7.87 in 2017 to 7.54 in 2019. International averages have little to do with UK form which is more the point I’m making. Riders certainly don’t put the same priority to their UK racing as they do abroad which is evidenced by some of the most recent top line riders UK averages. (Holder, Iversen, KK, Zagar) Iversen came in cold for a handful of fixtures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Let's not forget Chris had some horrendous injuries as well as trying to move on from his best mate Darcy's career ending accident. There was also a lot of personal off track stuff that affected him deeply and still affects whether he gets a visa or not. If he signs at Ippo or anywhere else he'll be an 8 point rider for sure How long are people going to keep using that as an excuse? It could be that all those issues have caused the steady decline of a world class rider (which wouldn’t be surprising). He still performs to a decent standard abroad but it’s been clear his UK form for years has been at best chequered with commitment issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, DC2 said: Iversen came in cold for a handful of fixtures. And? He is a GP rider with years of experience in the UK, more than most. Probably only Doyle of the best riders has more UK experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, stevebrum said: He was poor last time with Poole, a club he is meant to be the only club he wants to ride for. He had been in steady decline during his time in the UK 2 seasons ago. Of course if he really wanted to come back to prove a point then he would be a good bet because he has had the ability in the past. Think the point is 7.16 isn’t a figure you’d call expensive for a rider of his calibre. Whether you think he’d increase it or not is up for debate and I personally think he’d push that up towards the 8 mark, but you certainly wouldn’t call him a poor signing on such a figure. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Arch Stanton said: Think the point is 7.16 isn’t a figure you’d call expensive for a rider of his calibre. Whether you think he’d increase it or not is up for debate and I personally think he’d push that up towards the 8 mark, but you certainly wouldn’t call him a poor signing on such a figure. Certainly not a poor signing. Always worth a punt on those numbers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 Just now, stevebrum said: And? He is a GP rider with years of experience in the UK, more than most. Probably only Doyle of the best riders has more UK experience. Did he have the right bikes, engines and mechanics and how much practice did he have at Foxhall? Only Leigh Adams in recent times could be guaranteed double points at every track. Even Doyle throws in a few 8 point stinkers now and again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, acef said: Think easily is an overstatement. He'd be in and around that figure. Okay I don't think easy easy, but sort of easy. It's very unlikely to go down. It's most likely to go up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: Think the point is 7.16 isn’t a figure you’d call expensive for a rider of his calibre. Whether you think he’d increase it or not is up for debate and I personally think he’d push that up towards the 8 mark, but you certainly wouldn’t call him a poor signing on such a figure. I’d agree, he wouldn’t be a poor signing for any club. Just the commitment the issue. 16 minutes ago, DC2 said: Did he have the right bikes, engines and mechanics and how much practice did he have at Foxhall? Only Leigh Adams in recent times could be guaranteed double points at every track. Even Doyle throws in a few 8 point stinkers now and again. As discussed know one has more experience of British tracks than Iversen. You have a point regards Foxhall tho. home average 8.73, away 5.60. So Foxhall wasn’t the issue. looking at his 2019 stats in full for Ipswich. Home average 8.00 from 4 matches. Away average 5.43 from 3 matches. His 7 match Ipswich average (all competitions) is 6.97. Edited December 15, 2019 by stevebrum Added detail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, stevebrum said: Yet Iversen dropped from 7.87 in 2017 to 7.54 in 2019. International averages have little to do with UK form which is more the point I’m making. Riders certainly don’t put the same priority to their UK racing as they do abroad which is evidenced by some of the most recent top line riders UK averages. (Holder, Iversen, KK, Zagar) Iversen didn't do the UK in 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, tellboy said: Iversen didn't do the UK in 2017. Apologies. 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, stevebrum said: Apologies. 2018. Finished on a 7.38 average in 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, tellboy said: Finished on a 7.38 average in 2018 Yep edited. Which changes the information. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, stevebrum said: Yep edited. Which changes the information. You forgot to change the 2017 to 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, tellboy said: You forgot to change the 2017 to 2018. Must pay attention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, stevebrum said: How long are people going to keep using that as an excuse? It could be that all those issues have caused the steady decline of a world class rider (which wouldn’t be surprising). He still performs to a decent standard abroad but it’s been clear his UK form for years has been at best chequered with commitment issues. Hardly an excuse but real reasons!! I don't get what commitment issues you mean? He was due to start as a second string on 7.16 for Poole last season until the visa issue stopped him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Hardly an excuse but real reasons!! I don't get what commitment issues you mean? He was due to start as a second string on 7.16 for Poole last season until the visa issue stopped him. Don’t understand why an ex World champion has so many problems getting visa?. Has he been in trouble with the police? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 Isn't it common knowledge to why visa is hard to come by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Baldyman said: Holder would easily improve on that average, okay he isn't world champ material currently,,, but he is only 32, plenty of miles left in the tank. But how much has he in the head for cold nights and indifferent tracks Edited December 15, 2019 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Baldyman said: Isn't it common knowledge to why visa is hard to come by. No. Wondered for ages.. Whats he done?? Edited December 15, 2019 by Bald Bloke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 46 minutes ago, Crazy robin said: Don’t understand why an ex World champion has so many problems getting visa?. Has he been in trouble with the police? I've asked before, but no reply. I don't know either. I have my take, but might be way off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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