ruckerroo Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 10 hours ago, RobMcCaffery said: Me? That's hilarious. Thanks for emphatically proving my point. Brian and I are trying to help people. What are you doing? Typical sad keyboard warrior. Go find someone else to bully. Rob, you arent trying to open a track with a one year lease and overheads far in excess of potential crowd turnover. You love keyboard warrior bashing when someone has a different view to yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 I actually think that the negative posts are positive to the cause... It's the livliest Birmingham speedway forum link in a long time. Lets keep talking ! Survival is probably a long shot, but there's nothing wrong with having 'Hope' ! I just wonder whether a change of name and an amalgamation with Cov/Cradley would be a positive move? May be one more season at Perry Barr, whilst working on plans to move (if possible) in 2023. If I win the lottery, I'd definitely build a new track 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) A change of name to the Birmingham Heathens, could draw in the Cradley Promoters. This was mentioned in the meeting. To be honest though this is where speedway fails as you just alienate everyone. The Scottish Monarchs, London Lions, Poole Wildcats, Eastbourne Dons all had a limited time in the sport. There are more. like Workington, we need a field! Edited November 18, 2021 by Deano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 I totally agree that it's not ideal....but might just help to 'tread-water' for a season or two? I guess it's all about pride/tradition and more realistically 'geographics' ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, Deano said: A change of name to the Birmingham Heathens, could draw in the Cradley Promoters. This was mentioned in the meeting. To be honest though this is where speedway fails as you just alienate everyone. The Scottish Monarchs, London Lions, Poole Wildcats, Eastbourne Dons all had a limited time in the sport. There are more. like Workington, we need a field! Thought u had Northside taking shape? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 18 minutes ago, Deano said: A change of name to the Birmingham Heathens, could draw in the Cradley Promoters. This was mentioned in the meeting. To be honest though this is where speedway fails as you just alienate everyone. The Scottish Monarchs, London Lions, Poole Wildcats, Eastbourne Dons all had a limited time in the sport. There are more. like Workington, we need a field! Cradley at Stoke went down like a lead balloon even with Hancock & Hamill riding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 24 minutes ago, PirateShip said: Cradley at Stoke went down like a lead balloon even with Hancock & Hamill riding. I remember the pair of them walking around the Loomer road track picking up Stock car debris prior to the speedway meeting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, PirateShip said: Cradley at Stoke went down like a lead balloon even with Hancock & Hamill riding. Stoke? says it all really.... I think a B'ham/Cov combo would work ....no doubt Cov fans will start firing at me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 Just now, GiveusaB said: Stoke? says it all really.... I think a B'ham/Cov combo would work ....no doubt Cov fans will start firing at me Well understandably Cov fans didn't support the NDL team that raced at Leicester but then it was Mick Horton that came up with that idea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 54 minutes ago, PirateShip said: Well understandably Cov fans didn't support the NDL team that raced at Leicester but then it was Mick Horton that came up with that idea! Big stumbling block (other than geography) is the block on ghost teams so I guess at best hope is either Birmingham Bee's or the sponsored by approach so Birmingham "Coventry Bees" Brummies but neither would get Coventry listed in any official results so not a lot in it for them really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 C'mon Birmingham, u can get back on track as the Brummies in 2022 at Perry Barr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 21 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Big stumbling block (other than geography) is the block on ghost teams so I guess at best hope is either Birmingham Bee's or the sponsored by approach so Birmingham "Coventry Bees" Brummies but neither would get Coventry listed in any official results so not a lot in it for them really. There would be absolutely zero in it for the bees as it would provide just the ammunition that the stadium owners are looking for .That being " the stadium is surplus to requirements enhancing their desire for planning to build houses." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, Dave Jones said: There would be absolutely zero in it for the bees as it would provide just the ammunition that the stadium owners are looking for .That being " the stadium is surplus to requirements enhancing their desire for planning to build houses." Very true point. Bees fans stayed away from Leics to show it wasn't supported being there when they raced in the NDL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 So December 7th (BSPL AGM) is deadline day!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerbat1875 Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 (edited) To be honest, it pains me to say but I dont think the brummies will run in 2022, I just don't see 1000 people going, maybe for a couple of weeks it could happen but it will revert to below that over the season, unfortunately the stadium owners are in a business and they want to see profit, I do believe they barely break even for the greyhound racing, speedway is not a sport that really captures the imagination of the younger generation in the city of Birmingham, dare i say it but once the older fans start fading away they won't be replaced, it's a shame but unfortunately it's the way it is, I have said before and will say it again younger generation want stuff like T20 Cricket, Football, even Formula 1, Birmingham is going through a major redevelopment and once that is complete, there will be so much to do for the youngsters, I asked a few of the kids around here about speedway and they had not got a clue what I was on about, the 20 odd years without speedway in Brum destroyed a potential couple of generations getting into it, I hope I am wrong, but I do believe it's going to take a miracle to get Birmingham to the tapes for 2022 Edited November 19, 2021 by Gerbat1875 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen52 Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gerbat1875 said: To be honest, it pains me to say but I dont think the brummies will run in 2022, I just don't see 1000 people going, maybe for a couple of weeks it could happen but it will revert to below that over the season, unfortunately the stadium owners are in a business and they want to see profit, I do believe they barely break even for the greyhound racing, speedway is not a sport that really captures the imagination of the younger generation in the city of Birmingham, dare i say it but once the older fans start fading away they won't be replaced, it's a shame but unfortunately it's the way it is, I have said before and will say it again younger generation want stuff like T20 Cricket, Football, even Formula 1, Birmingham is going through a major redevelopment and once that is complete, there will be so much to do for the youngsters, I asked a few of the kids around here about speedway and they had not got a clue what I was on about, the 20 odd years without speedway in Brum destroyed a potential couple of generations getting into it, I hope I am wrong, but I do believe it's going to take a miracle to get Birmingham to the tapes for 2022 Generally agree with a lot of what you say is correct, however few points i would like to make about ARC yes they are in the business of making profits and they are not concerned wether or not anyone comes through the gate for Greyhound meetings at PB, they primarily make money from televised Greyhound meetings they get a substantial amount of money from each of those meetings, and i do believe the Brummies will come to the Tapes in 2022. However apart from those 2 points your pretty much spot on especially about fans being replaced "we are all getting older" and when Iv been to PB they generally have a bigger percentage of senior citizens than most other Teams, 1,000 per meeting i cant see it being achieved where are they suddenly going to come from ? after all they havent been there for a few seasons, and if they have Track issues during the first few meetings then its going to be a big big struggle. I wish them luck should they go ahead as im sure most of us do. Edited November 19, 2021 by heathen52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbw Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 Crazy idea?..... Run all home fixtures as double headers to save on the rent costs? 2 sets of away fans in as well but obviously amongst many other considerations to take into account will there be enuff time before curfew. Guess u wud av to start at 7pm or 645. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, PirateShip said: Crazy idea?..... Run all home fixtures as double headers to save on the rent costs? 2 sets of away fans in as well but obviously amongst many other considerations to take into account will there be enuff time before curfew. Guess u wud av to start at 7pm or 645. Not possible as far as I aware. Birmingham have to run 20 meetings as part of the rent agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSL84 Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 Just now, spin king said: Not possible as far as I aware. Birmingham have to run 20 meetings as part of the rent agreement. Also cannot start meetings before 7.30 if it's still the same rules they had when fist started, I know for a FACT you can't start engine's before 7pm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 (edited) Speedway isn’t going to die that easily in Birmingham. We beat the council to get permission in 2007 we can beat this bump in our history. Edited November 19, 2021 by Deano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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