Deano Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 1 hour ago, heathen52 said: Thoughts on Perry Barr, Iv looked at the Greyhound fixtures and it seems Perry Barr is free on Sundays. Iv thought for a few seasons there is an obvious way to save Speedway at Perry Barr, but i know some fans are set against it for whatever reason. There are some things that cant be changed such as prices of food etc etc at PB, however the Speedway could be subject to approval by the BSPl, double headers have been held at various times over seasons for as long as i can remember, so why not make double headers at Perry Barr a regular thing involving not 1 home Team but 2 these being Birmingham Brummies and Cradley Heathens putting it bluntly a Track share by not 1 but 2 teams which could encompass two seperate promotions (or One) whichever was achievable. The biggest factor in this would be cost savings by the Promotion due to a sharing of Costs for Rent, Equipment, etc etc. This may or may not mean The Brummies could survive and would also enable The Heathens to return with meaningful racing and i do not mean NDL racing by either I mean Championship or/and Premier League racing for both Teams. Iv no idea if this is do-able but just thinking of a way forward which could help both Teams, because it seems ridiculous to me that we may have a Track available (Hopefully) which wont be used should Birmingham not find a new Promoter, when a few miles away we have another Team that has support but NO Track to ride on, I know there are some supporters dead set against this for whatever reason not least PB being unpopular with Cradley fans, this would be a full blown Track Share rather than the previous Lanlord (Brummies) and (Rent Boys) Cradley, Is it do-able providing Promoters can be found ?, and obviously subject to BSPL and ARC at Perry Barr. I'd like to think there is a way and should be explored. But as Kitten suggests, NDL worked previously for both clubs due to the reduced fixture list. Wednesdays is the only evening, with Thursdays used as a reserve, it would need another application to run on a Sunday or two nights per week. But only another planning application would seem to make it workable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedway fan Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 The greyhounds now run on a Thursday night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianbuck Posted October 3, 2021 Report Share Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) Heathens 52's idea is unfortunately, not possible. A planning consent exists for speedway to take place at Perry Barr on Wednesday's or Thursdays (but not both in the same week), plus Bank Holiday Sundays - but the Bank Holiday Sunday meetings are only on condition that there is no Wednesday or Thursday meeting staged in the same week. A casual enquiry with the Planning Office this season produced the firm reply that the Council will not consider changing these conditions. Thursday nights are of course, reserved for Premiership matches and in any case, greyhound racing is now held on Thursday nights. A great idea in principle, but sadly, not possible. Edited October 3, 2021 by brianbuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted October 4, 2021 Report Share Posted October 4, 2021 22 hours ago, zlata prilba said: Paco made a good recovery from man flu to ride in Czech Golden Helmet today along with Bomber If you had heard his voice over the PA last meeting, you wouldn't have questioned his flu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 4, 2021 Report Share Posted October 4, 2021 Not many riders use flu as an excuse.Has made a good recovery judging by his interview yesterday no mention he had been ill.Get rid of all these 2nd rate riders who come and go as they please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted October 4, 2021 Report Share Posted October 4, 2021 Can see 'Speedway' going to one big league next season....and keeping the NDL.... Premiership has been woeful..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 4, 2021 Report Share Posted October 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: Can see 'Speedway' going to one big league next season....and keeping the NDL.... Premiership has been woeful..... You would like to think so,but can’t see it happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted October 4, 2021 Report Share Posted October 4, 2021 I love how this season, having side effects of covid vaccination, and having covid are fine, but having a bad cold/flu are suddenly not okay, as if everyone’s forgot that other illnesses can be much worse than covid, and that covid’s not the only illness around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds85 Posted October 4, 2021 Report Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, GiveusaB said: Can see 'Speedway' going to one big league next season....and keeping the NDL.... Premiership has been woeful..... If that happened, the standard of all the teams, PL and CL would have to drastically drop, because everyone who has doubled up this year could only ride for one team... Where are all the new riders gonna come from? What needs to happen is increase the PL to say 8 teams and have the CL as 8-10 teams, and limit the amount of double uppers allowed per team... AND more emphasis needs to be put into the NDL, the riders who ride in that league are our FUTURE... Whether Eastbourne/Birmingham/Oxford/Swindon can run or not, maybe it's a good idea for the ones struggling money wise to drop back down into the NL and improve the numbers down there... Back the kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted October 4, 2021 Report Share Posted October 4, 2021 53 minutes ago, Diamonds85 said: Whether Eastbourne/Birmingham/Oxford/Swindon can run or not, maybe it's a good idea for the ones struggling money wise to drop back down into the NL and improve the numbers down there... Back the kids We (Eastbourne) did back the kids for 4/5 seasons and had a good product taken away by 2019. Had a few pretty good seasons and battles with Brum as well. The level it is at moment wouldn't make it viable for the likes of the clubs you mention I would have thought, as it's no longer a proper league really. Raise the level to pre 2019 and the above may come back, plus the IOW perhaps and you have a good sustainable league again. Whether the powers that be would allow it is another question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds85 Posted October 4, 2021 Report Share Posted October 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, gazzac said: We (Eastbourne) did back the kids for 4/5 seasons and had a good product taken away by 2019. Had a few pretty good seasons and battles with Brum as well. The level it is at moment wouldn't make it viable for the likes of the clubs you mention I would have thought, as it's no longer a proper league really. Raise the level to pre 2019 and the above may come back, plus the IOW perhaps and you have a good sustainable league again. Whether the powers that be would allow it is another question. Yes I know, and the Eastbourne and Birmingham teams were brilliant to watch, we need more national league teams like that to help back the new blood coming through... And help support some of the middle order CL riders who are maybe down on form a little like Ashley Morris, would be a good racer to follow for the new, inexperienced kids to learn a lot from... I agree that the standard of the NL needs to be raised, however, there isn't as many talents coming through now (14-15-16 year olds) as there was 5/6 years ago unfortunately 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted October 4, 2021 Report Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Diamonds85 said: Yes I know, and the Eastbourne and Birmingham teams were brilliant to watch, we need more national league teams like that to help back the new blood coming through... And help support some of the middle order CL riders who are maybe down on form a little like Ashley Morris, would be a good racer to follow for the new, inexperienced kids to learn a lot from... I agree that the standard of the NL needs to be raised, however, there isn't as many talents coming through now (14-15-16 year olds) as there was 5/6 years ago unfortunately Whilst you are probably right that the numbers coming through is probably a little bit down (even basic maths of less tracks, less track time equals less riders developing through the sport) lowering the bar certainly hasn't and shouldn't be the answer. Riders need to be good enough to achieve team places not gain them because they are "young with potential" how about young and proven or just proven to be at a higher ability. Making concessions for age and lowering team averages has done immense harm to the league this year yet there are still riders who haven't improved upon the base signing 3.00 despite the lower limit meaning that natural inflation should have occurred across the board. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 On 10/4/2021 at 10:20 AM, Fromafar said: Not many riders use flu as an excuse.Has made a good recovery judging by his interview yesterday no mention he had been ill.Get rid of all these 2nd rate riders who come and go as they please. If you mean Paco, he is not 'second rate', he is very popular, and valuable to the Brummies. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 20 hours ago, Diamonds85 said: I agree that the standard of the NL needs to be raised, however, there isn't as many talents coming through now (14-15-16 year olds) as there was 5/6 years ago unfortunately And the reason for this is the destruction of the Midland Development League and the Southern Development League, which were essential in the development of new riders. Very few can go directly into the National League; many can't make it that far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 49 minutes ago, *JJ said: If you mean Paco, he is not 'second rate', he is very popular, and valuable to the Brummies. He’s 27 been around for years still at reserve and misses fixtures most of the season,that’s why the sport won’t get any better in GB .IMO.He certainly comes and goes as he pleases,but then again Birmingham probably knew that when they signed him.Certainly not drawing in the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds85 Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 2 hours ago, *JJ said: And the reason for this is the destruction of the Midland Development League and the Southern Development League, which were essential in the development of new riders. Very few can go directly into the National League; many can't make it that far. It's a shame the Development Leagues were destroyed for the Premier Junior League, which never happened 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 3 hours ago, Fromafar said: He’s 27 been around for years still at reserve and misses fixtures most of the season,that’s why the sport won’t get any better in GB .IMO.He certainly comes and goes as he pleases,but then again Birmingham probably knew that when they signed him.Certainly not drawing in the fans. Paco's a lovely guy and a real fans favourite....more because of his personality than his riding skills (IMO) I think, if the Leagues stay the same, then the Championship reserve riders would be better off having a criteria of at least being British and may be having 2 reserve 'only' races as opposed to just the 1 at present. Reserve riders don't need to move in to the main body of the team based on GS averages, keep them flexible all season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 7 hours ago, Fromafar said: He’s 27 been around for years still at reserve and misses fixtures most of the season,that’s why the sport won’t get any better in GB .IMO.He certainly comes and goes as he pleases,but then again Birmingham probably knew that when they signed him.Certainly not drawing in the fans. I would say that yes, he does draw in the fans. And he has been scoring very well this year, beating some top opposition riders. The fact that he was still at reserve is a fluke of the average system, not of his usefulness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 Castagna is the main reason Brummies won as many fixtures as they did at home in 2021. If the Brummies do run in 2022, in a well constructed team Castagna would do fine flitting between reserve & 2/3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted October 8, 2021 Report Share Posted October 8, 2021 10 hours ago, Col said: Castagna is the main reason Brummies won as many fixtures as they did at home in 2021. If the Brummies do run in 2022, in a well constructed team Castagna would do fine flitting between reserve & 2/3. I think you'll find that Chris Harris was the main reason Paco did well and performed above expectation at times though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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