Birmingham Brummies 2020

[uk_martin]

On 10/4/2021 at 10:39 AM, GiveusaB said:

Can see 'Speedway' going to one big league next season....and keeping the NDL....

16 teams will need 112 riders.

As only 137 riders were registered in 2021, including NDL riders, on the basis of one rider one club, when the 112 plumb jobs have been taken, that'll leave only 25 riders for the NDL to be spread out amongst their 6 teams. So, plenty of Sits Vacant for the MDL / SDL etc types who may have struggled to have found a place in years gone by. This could have the effect of either drastically weakening the NDL product or it could be the springboard to greatness that some of these riders were hoping for...time will tell. 

So there were 137 riders in 2021. Barny Pedersen is retiring, so that's one less in the pot...will Jason Crump hang up his boots after this year's fling? Another one less if he does...Aaron Summers, another one less...any more?

Any suggestions about who the 17 x #1's could be, bearing in mind how many of them rode for 2 teams last year?

Oh, and IF Birmingham find a replacement promoter, make that 17 teams, needing 119 riders, with even less left over for the NDL.

 

[GiveusaB]

10 hours ago, uk_martin said:

16 teams will need 112 riders.

As only 137 riders were registered in 2021, including NDL riders, on the basis of one rider one club, when the 112 plumb jobs have been taken, that'll leave only 25 riders for the NDL to be spread out amongst their 6 teams. So, plenty of Sits Vacant for the MDL / SDL etc types who may have struggled to have found a place in years gone by. This could have the effect of either drastically weakening the NDL product or it could be the springboard to greatness that some of these riders were hoping for...time will tell. 

So there were 137 riders in 2021. Barny Pedersen is retiring, so that's one less in the pot...will Jason Crump hang up his boots after this year's fling? Another one less if he does...Aaron Summers, another one less...any more?

Any suggestions about who the 17 x #1's could be, bearing in mind how many of them rode for 2 teams last year?

Oh, and IF Birmingham find a replacement promoter, make that 17 teams, needing 119 riders, with even less left over for the NDL.

 

Could go with 6 man teams? not sure what the answer to a 'failing sport' is ?

It's a dire product atm and unless we can attract the big International stars, then I cant see the sport ever attracting a new following.

[heathen52]

4 hours ago, GiveusaB said:

Could go with 6 man teams? not sure what the answer to a 'failing sport' is ?

It's a dire product atm and unless we can attract the big International stars, then I cant see the sport ever attracting a new following.

That was my first thought 6 man Teams, you can also add Rory Schlein to the retirees. I dont see how the Sport can afford International stars, and it wouldnt necesarily improve the racing it would just mean the second reserves would have less chance of winning. First of all we need to get the product right over here with the riders that we have, to begin with get rid of doubling up/down which one League would see the back of.

[GiveusaB]

19 hours ago, heathen52 said:

That was my first thought 6 man Teams, you can also add Rory Schlein to the retirees. I dont see how the Sport can afford International stars, and it wouldnt necesarily improve the racing it would just mean the second reserves would have less chance of winning. First of all we need to get the product right over here with the riders that we have, to begin with get rid of doubling up/down which one League would see the back of.

I agree entirely with you....I also think that if we want/expect our 'younger' riders to improve, then we need to have a certain standard requirement of racing surface?

A lot of the tracks in this country are p#ss poor ( B'ham....Poole....Leicester....to name but a few........)

 

[brianbuck]

The majority of supporters would like to see the Premiership expanded to 8 or 10 teams, but if this does happen, there would have to be a pretty drastic reduction of operating costs (or a big increase in admission prices - which nobody wants!) and there would also have to be a dramatic reduction in team strengths in order to make the new entrants competitive. People always jib at any suggestion of weakening teams,  or "watering down" as it is usually described, but in reality, there isn't an alternative - we have to accept that team strengths can only be levelled downwards - not upwards!

As far as doubling-up is concerned, it is my firm opinion that allowing this to happen in the first place, has been the damaging decision that the BSPA has ever made, and we are left in the situation of now finding it totally impossible to get rid of this, or even restrict it. The riders now consider themselves to have a God-given right to belong to more than one team, and any attempt to do away with doubling-up will be savagely opposed. I detest the rule myself, but I just don't see any way of getting shut of it.

 

Edited October 13, 2021 by brianbuck

[Fromafar]

7 minutes ago, brianbuck said:

The majority of supporters would like to see the Premiership expanded to 8 or 10 teams, but if this does happen, there would have to be a pretty drastic reduction of operating costs (or a big increase in admission prices - which nobody wants!) and there would also have to be a dramatic reduction in team strengths in order to make the new entrants competitive. People always jib at any suggestion of weakening teams,  or "watering down" as it is usually described, but in reality, there isn't an alternative - we have to accept that team strengths can only be levelled downwards - not upwards!

As far as doubling-up is concerned, it is my firm opinion that allowing this to happen in the first place, has been the damaging decision that the BSPA has ever made, and we are left in the situation of now finding it totally impossible to get rid of this, or even restrict it. The riders now consider themselves to have a God-given right to belong to more than one team, and any attempt to do away with doubling-up will be savagely opposed. I detest the rule myself, but I just don't see any way of getting shut of it.

 

That’s it in a nutshell.

[The Dog]

It's an excellent post. I'm not sure the riders think it's a God-given right to be in 2 teams tho, more of a necessity to make it worthwhile nowadays. That said, I think wages are probably the easiest way to cut back on costs. 

[SteveLyric2]

On 10/13/2021 at 8:15 AM, GiveusaB said:

I agree entirely with you....I also think that if we want/expect our 'younger' riders to improve, then we need to have a certain standard requirement of racing surface?

A lot of the tracks in this country are p#ss poor ( B'ham....Poole....Leicester....to name but a few........)

 

Not much wrong with Poole's track compared to others - now it has been sorted!!

[SSL84]

Now Chris Harris as signed for berwick for next season,  what does that mean for Birmingham? Just asking the question. 

[Brummies_Ste]

1 minute ago, Trackerman48 said:

Now Chris Harris as signed for berwick for next season,  what does that mean for Birmingham? Just asking the question. 

The End

[SSL84]

Just now, Brummies_Ste said:

The End

Do you honestly believe that? Thought that there was something happening with a take over?

[Fortythirtyeight]

3 minutes ago, Trackerman48 said:

Now Chris Harris as signed for berwick for next season,  what does that mean for Birmingham? Just asking the question. 

Absolutely nothing.

Riders move clubs annually .

[Petecc]

That will have lowered the wage bill ?

[Col]

On 10/22/2021 at 12:43 PM, Petecc said:

That will have lowered the wage bill ?

Possibly, depends who the replacement is, because if the Brummies do run, they'll need a replacement, Danny King or Adam Ellis ideally. Can't imagine either are much cheaper wages wise than Harris (if at all).  Don't know if Brummies were footing the bill for Riss & Grobauer travel or if both were based in the UK... but if the Brummies were shelling out for that, it would be the ideal start to lowering costs with UK only based riders.

[The Dog]

Riss certainly based in the UK, and I'm pretty sure that Ellis wanted more than Harris 

[SSL84]

5 hours ago, Col said:

Possibly, depends who the replacement is, because if the Brummies do run, they'll need a replacement, Danny King or Adam Ellis ideally. Can't imagine either are much cheaper wages wise than Harris (if at all).  Don't know if Brummies were footing the bill for Riss & Grobauer travel or if both were based in the UK... but if the Brummies were shelling out for that, it would be the ideal start to lowering costs with UK only based riders.

100% sure it will not be Danny King. 

[crescent girl]

On 10/24/2021 at 11:09 AM, Col said:

Possibly, depends who the replacement is, because if the Brummies do run, they'll need a replacement, Danny King or Adam Ellis ideally. Can't imagine either are much cheaper wages wise than Harris (if at all).  Don't know if Brummies were footing the bill for Riss & Grobauer travel or if both were based in the UK... but if the Brummies were shelling out for that, it would be the ideal start to lowering costs with UK only based riders.

Grobauer's travel costs wouldnt add up to much, he was hardly ever there.....

Edited October 25, 2021 by crescent girl

[The Dog]

Harsh but funny. He was injured a lot tbf.. 

[Endeavour]

1 hour ago, crescent girl said:

Grobauer's travel sosts wouldnt add up to much, he was hardly ever there.....

So not an Airmiles Andy then.

[allthegearbutnaeidea]

14 hours ago, The Dog said:

Harsh but funny. He was injured a lot tbf.. 

Not in other countries he wasn’t, just in UK