IronScorpion Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 33 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: Racing Licences are issued by the SCB, not the BSPA tut tut Neil, & keep up. It is the BSPL now .............British Speedway Promoters Ltd. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, pienpeesman said: Also the bspa should never even grant him 1 ever again 7 hours ago, NeilWatson said: Racing Licences are issued by the SCB, not the BSPA 6 hours ago, IronScorpion said: tut tut Neil, & keep up. It is the BSPL now .............British Speedway Promoters Ltd. Indeed, although the SGB website still refers to ‘BSPA Contacts’! Edited April 24, 2020 by NeilWatson Correct SGP to read SGB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 3 hours ago, NeilWatson said: Racing Licences are issued by the SCB, not the BSPA Ok but does it matter who there issued by !! At the end of the day he shouldn't be granted 1 again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 8 hours ago, Lefty said: Will the Brummies be able to use r/r.... (Robbery / Replacement) ??? Post of the day winner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 4 hours ago, NeilWatson said: Indeed, although the SGP website still refers to ‘BSPA Contacts’! Even part of the SpeedwayGB website does too! D’oh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 Irrespective of who issues the licenses, firstly we need to wait and see whether Garrity does porridge or not. If he doesn't get sent down and is free to walk the streets, then for his episode of thievery, should he be treated any differently to Darcy Ward, who, as some may remember, was convicted of stealing a motorcycle, riding like a lunatic, evading arrest and riding without insurance? Remember that one? The offences that Neil Middleditch defended as being "what all young people do" (or words to that effect) Whatever the licensing authority calls itself this week or next week, they have set a precedent, so don't be surprised with whatever they decide to do. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 38 minutes ago, Najjer said: Even part of the SpeedwayGB website does too! D’oh! It does, I meant to say SGB rather than SGP - original post edited. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 On 4/23/2020 at 9:21 AM, Richard Weston said: From a practical point of view, I agree, but I would still have done it as a point of principle. The other issue is that the court date in May will not necessarily be the trial/hearing. It maybe but it could well be put off until later in the year. I’d imagine IF the season was running the press release may have been different. However I still think it would include the line ‘we will not be making any further comment’. 2 hours ago, uk_martin said: Irrespective of who issues the licenses, firstly we need to wait and see whether Garrity does porridge or not. If he doesn't get sent down and is free to walk the streets, then for his episode of thievery, should he be treated any differently to Darcy Ward, who, as some may remember, was convicted of stealing a motorcycle, riding like a lunatic, evading arrest and riding without insurance? Remember that one? The offences that Neil Middleditch defended as being "what all young people do" (or words to that effect) Whatever the licensing authority calls itself this week or next week, they have set a precedent, so don't be surprised with whatever they decide to do. Some people quickly forget when something like this happens. Ward abused chance after chance and must rank as one of the worst regular offenders but some people forgave or forgot because of how good he naturally was on a bike. Garrity should be treated no different as it was no worse than Ward’s involvements back then. No doubt the moral police will continue to attack Garrity and defend Ward in equal measures because time elapsed. Just to be clear I am in no way defending the behaviour of any one of the individuals. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 2 hours ago, uk_martin said: Irrespective of who issues the licenses, firstly we need to wait and see whether Garrity does porridge or not. If he doesn't get sent down and is free to walk the streets, then for his episode of thievery, should he be treated any differently to Darcy Ward, who, as some may remember, was convicted of stealing a motorcycle, riding like a lunatic, evading arrest and riding without insurance? Remember that one? The offences that Neil Middleditch defended as being "what all young people do" (or words to that effect) Whatever the licensing authority calls itself this week or next week, they have set a precedent, so don't be surprised with whatever they decide to do. Ward didn't steal the motorcycle. His conviction was for driving/riding under the influence, evading police and having the incorrect license. This was an offence punishable only by a fine. If Garrity is found not guilty, then i would agree he cannot be punished by speedway authorities, in the same way Darcy was not for the offences he was found not guilty of. If Garrity is found guilty, i would imagine there is no way he avoids jail time. On release however, i would assume he is free to continue his profession in the same way anyone else released from prison is. Though i would be very unhsppy to see him signed by my club. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 11 minutes ago, stevebrum said: I’d imagine IF the season was running the press release may have been different. However I still think it would include the line ‘we will not be making any further comment’. Some people quickly forget when something like this happens. Ward abused chance after chance and must rank as one of the worst regular offenders but some people forgave or forgot because of how good he naturally was on a bike. Garrity should be treated no different as it was no worse than Ward’s involvements back then. No doubt the moral police will continue to attack Garrity and defend Ward in equal measures because time elapsed. Just to be clear I am in no way defending the behaviour of any one of the individuals. Darcy only had the one conviction. It was only a very limited number of people who defended his actions. I see very little difference between how the two are being treated on here, with the exception of the absence of certain poole fans. Garritys offence imo is significantly more serious than that which Darcy was convicted of. One was stupidity, the other pre meditated and nasty. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 23 minutes ago, waiheke1 said: Darcy only had the one conviction. It was only a very limited number of people who defended his actions. I see very little difference between how the two are being treated on here, with the exception of the absence of certain poole fans. Garritys offence imo is significantly more serious than that which Darcy was convicted of. One was stupidity, the other pre meditated and nasty. Garrity has the one conviction (it’s suspect whether either had more) also. I’d say stupidity played a part for both riders. Plenty of undercurrent activity for Ward such as his involvement/none involvement in the case that won’t be mentioned, the mysterious head injury prior to the night of the PO final for Poole (supposedly due to a fight). I guess the question of when does stupidity become more dangerous behaviour? Anyway I’m assuming we shouldn’t be discussing the case or any other cases so let’s try keep it a low key discussion. I think neither character are the brightest tools in the Speedway world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 Hang on , are people honestly classing riding a motorbike stoned just as bad as robbing two vulnerable people with a blade ? Jesus Christ. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 14 hours ago, waiheke1 said: His conviction was for driving/riding under the influence, evading police and having the incorrect license. Nice...Drugged in charge / drunk in charge of a potential killing machine...the sort of offences that can have consequences just as lethal as carrying a knife. Lucky nobody actually got hurt in either case. 14 hours ago, stevebrum said: Some people quickly forget when something like this happens. Ward abused chance after chance and must rank as one of the worst regular offenders but some people forgave or forgot because of how good he naturally was on a bike. Garrity should be treated no different as it was no worse than Ward’s involvements back then. No doubt the moral police will continue to attack Garrity and defend Ward in equal measures because time elapsed. Stevebrum has hit the nail straight between the eyes here. And like stevebrum I too in no way condone what Garrity did...simply examining a different angle to the "hang him high" approach that got another thread closed down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitten2502 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, uk_martin said: And like stevebrum I too in no way condone what Garrity did...simply examining a different angle to the "hang him high" approach that got another thread closed down. I suspect the other thread got closed down rightly so IMHO by the venomous personal insults being thrown around - not connected in anyway to JG! Edited April 25, 2020 by kitten2502 error 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, uk_martin said: Nice...Drugged in charge / drunk in charge of a potential killing machine...the sort of offences that can have consequences just as lethal as carrying a knife. Lucky nobody actually got hurt in either case. Stevebrum has hit the nail straight between the eyes here. And like stevebrum I too in no way condone what Garrity did...simply examining a different angle to the "hang him high" approach that got another thread closed down. Unfortunately some really do believe one offence is worse than the other named rider, hence the ridiculous personal attacks that ensure threads get closed down. Ward was very lucky to get a second chance (quite possibly 3rd or 4th!) so I fail to see why JG wouldn’t get the same. Saying that one rider was a potential world champion so deserved the chance is about as blinkered as it gets. There is no difference between the 2 riders as far as guilty and appalling behaviour . JG will rightly get boos and abuse if he decides to make Speedway a career again. I remember Ward getting booed at home matches I attended when Swindon were in town when his ban ended. Some people will let those riders know exactly what they think. Nobody on here should be defending the behaviours of either rider imho. Edited April 25, 2020 by stevebrum Added detail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 Nobody is defending Ward or garrity. what Ward got up to was stupid , illegial and irresponsible. What Garrity has done is scum of the earth behavior . A level above what Ward done. that said , both are a pair of brain dead idiots 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 42 minutes ago, Pinny said: Nobody is defending Ward or garrity. what Ward got up to was stupid , illegial and irresponsible. What Garrity has done is scum of the earth behavior . A level above what Ward done. that said , both are a pair of brain dead idiots Both w@nkers imo! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 22 hours ago, stevebrum said: Garrity has the one conviction (it’s suspect whether either had more) also. I’d say stupidity played a part for both riders. Plenty of undercurrent activity for Ward such as his involvement/none involvement in the case that won’t be mentioned, the mysterious head injury prior to the night of the PO final for Poole (supposedly due to a fight). I guess the question of when does stupidity become more dangerous behaviour? Anyway I’m assuming we shouldn’t be discussing the case or any other cases so let’s try keep it a low key discussion. I think neither character are the brightest tools in the Speedway world. I wonder what possible legalities MIGHT be breached in regard to the Garritty case. Like it or not he hasn't been proven guilty as charged in a court. If he is found NOT guilty as charged the BSF might - and I surmise this - be facing an action for substantial damages. stevebrum appears to have concerns about this thread and I tend to respect what he says, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, gustix said: I wonder what possible legalities MIGHT be breached in regard to the Garritty case. Like it or not he hasn't been proven guilty as charged in a court. If he is found NOT guilty as charged the BSF might - and I surmise this - be facing an action for substantial damages. stevebrum appears to have concerns about this thread and I tend to respect what he says, I’m assuming that’s why the thread on discussions was closed down as until someone is proven guilty it’s a very dangerous ground to leave open. Maybe wait until the May verdict until commenting on the case has been heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 Not sure why tbh, the charges are a matter of public record. It's different to the Ward case in that that case had someone who's name was suppressed due to age. I think the thread was closed down due to personal insults after the forum bigot showed up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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