mikebv Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Explain to me how it would work. Here's a couple of obstacles. 18 teams, 6 a side, 108 riders? Fixed race nights would be required Show me how you'd get around these You would need five man teams and it maybe could work? Four riders over three points and one lower than a three point rider.. Grade the four A to D and use an overall mean team average of all of the riders, so one side can't hoover up the best rider in each grade.. Race every team home and away = 34 matches. Split the 18 teams into two Conferences based on geography and ride home and away against all teams in your Conference... Meaning another 16 matches in total... 50 matches per rider, not including play offs, where the top four from each Conference can go into home and away play offs to determine the two 'Conference Champs', who then go forward to the Grand Final.. Meaning 56 meetings per rider if reaching the final.. 72 riders needed over 3 points and 18 needed below 3... Not checked how many there are this year who would fulfill that criteria but maybe workable..? Edited June 10, 2021 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, mikebv said: You would need five man teams and it maybe could work? Four riders over three points and one lower than a three point rider.. Grade the four A to D and use an overall mean team average of all of the riders, so one side can't hoover up the best rider in each grade.. Race every team home and away = 34 matches. Split the 18 teams into two Conferences based on geography and ride home and away against all teams in your Conference... Meaning another 16 matches in total... 50 matches per rider, not including play offs, where the top four from each Conference can go into home and away play offs to determine the two 'Conference Champs', who then go forward to the Grand Final.. Meaning 56 meetings per rider if reaching the final.. 72 riders needed over 3 points and 18 needed below 3... Not checked how many there are this year who would fulfill that criteria but maybe workable..? Already you've split the divisions into 2. Also, fixed race night's?? 100% they'll be needed with all the foreign rider's going back & forth to their own league's + 1 / 2. No matter how hard you try, it's not financially viable to have 1 big league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedball Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) There’s a King’s Lynn thread in here somewhere More importantly what’s the matter with Heeps and how long before we can get him into our side? Scenes when we have three 6 point plus riders in the 1-7 Edited June 10, 2021 by Speedball 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 31 minutes ago, Speedball said: There’s a King’s Lynn thread in here somewhere More importantly what’s the matter with Heeps and how long before we can get him into our side? Scenes when we have three 6 point plus riders in the 1-7 When you're relying on Heeps you know you're in trouble 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedball Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: When you're relying on Heeps you know you're in trouble I think we’ve already noticed we’re in trouble. Started in about 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 11 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Explain to me how it would work. Here's a couple of obstacles. 18 teams, 6 a side, 108 riders? Fixed race nights would be required Show me how you'd get around these There probably won’t be 18 teams though, I can imagine 12-14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartoszZmarzlikFan Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 (edited) Cook must of had an altercation or something to get sacked. Nothing wrong with him. Cookie is flying tonight. Edited June 10, 2021 by KingoftheTrack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriors Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 12 hours ago, therefused said: It wouldnt surprise me if a couple of teams drop out over the winter (and possibly during this season), so i could see one big league being viable next year. Probably 6 man teams, two youngsters at reserve and i reckon it could be done. I read somewhere today about wolves saying that if the lockdown doesn't continue easying, on the present path as expected on the 21st when everywhere is supposed to get back to something like normality, to allow more people in, they simply can't continue as they said they are making huge losses not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 hour ago, therefused said: There probably won’t be 18 teams though, I can imagine 12-14 Maybe so, but currently there are 18. To plan for the future it has to be at the inclusion of all those 18. One big league just isn't possible, or financially viable to the rider's. There'd have to be 30+ home matches for every club on fixed race night's. There are many in the Championship that couldn't do Monday - Thursday's. Don't do fixed race night's there'll be around 8 further rider's drop out of UK racing. Or do we go old skool & run guests & R/R for rider's racing abroad again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted June 10, 2021 Report Share Posted June 10, 2021 another issue is if it's one league do the riders get elite league wages or championship? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 8 hours ago, stevehone said: another issue is if it's one league do the riders get elite league wages or championship? I'm not sure there's anything between them Steve with some clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriors Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 11 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Maybe so, but currently there are 18. To plan for the future it has to be at the inclusion of all those 18. One big league just isn't possible, or financially viable to the rider's. There'd have to be 30+ home matches for every club on fixed race night's. There are many in the Championship that couldn't do Monday - Thursday's. Don't do fixed race night's there'll be around 8 further rider's drop out of UK racing. Or do we go old skool & run guests & R/R for rider's racing abroad again. That's Birmingham gone, sadly that's just the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 On hold, not gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 11 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: Maybe so, but currently there are 18. To plan for the future it has to be at the inclusion of all those 18. One big league just isn't possible, or financially viable to the rider's. There'd have to be 30+ home matches for every club on fixed race night's. There are many in the Championship that couldn't do Monday - Thursday's. Don't do fixed race night's there'll be around 8 further rider's drop out of UK racing. Or do we go old skool & run guests & R/R for rider's racing abroad again. If there were one League you would not need fixed race nights. Each team would only need one Monday meeting to satisfy (if there were) any TV commitments. If a team uses riders with foreign league commitments, then that is really their problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 On 6/8/2021 at 4:51 PM, Warriors said: It definitely needs to be one big league next year, because what we're watching at the moment is definitely not premier League. There are not enough riders of suitable quality for one big league so it’s impossible. I’m glad that’s the case too. 2 hours ago, Warriors said: That's Birmingham gone, sadly that's just the start. They aren’t gone. They are on hold, more teams to announce this until the ridiculous restrictions are lifted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 As I have posted elsewhere , the idea of one big league of the present teams has long since sailed into the sunset. Doubling up/doubling down has seen that one off. Just list the number of riders available to race . We already have a galaxy of rising stars allegedly to give young UK riders more track time. (or to save money?) It's only remotely possible witha much reduced number of teams. Then how many riders would find it financially worthwhile to race in a league of perhaps 12 teams ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 A League of 12 teams is 22 meetings. More than the Premiership is currently offering it's riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 Yes agreed, BUT there are very few Premiership ONLY riders . I make it 4 (Batchelor Bewlay Becker H Andersen) Of those they woudl probably complan about extra meetings in the UK due to extra travelling to Europe. The vast majority rely on racing in at least 2 UK leagues, They would take a reduction in meetings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 2 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said: Yes agreed, BUT there are very few Premiership ONLY riders . I make it 4 (Batchelor Bewlay Becker H Andersen) Of those they woudl probably complan about extra meetings in the UK due to extra travelling to Europe. The vast majority rely on racing in at least 2 UK leagues, They would take a reduction in meetings. I make it 6,Holder,Kurtz,just saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted June 11, 2021 Report Share Posted June 11, 2021 Yes missed those 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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