mrss Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 No need to worry. Jake Knight is making a comeback so is Paul Hurry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 On 1/21/2021 at 10:23 AM, Speedball said: So announced that it's 6 rides to a total of 35.5 plus a British youngster graded at four and below. Can't see the averages on the BSPA site but would assume Cook, Jorgensen, Riss, Kerr, Proctor and Bridger come to under that. Re the comments about team strengths.. I read this post at the time and thought "that looks a good team, no wonder Glasgow were fighting to keep their side together".. It was when I came out of the thread I realised I was in the Kings Lynn one... Not any criticism by the way, but just an observation as to how team strengths are now unrecognisable from just 5 years ago, never mind 10, never mind 20... For me though, as long as the leagues have credibility and integrity, and each team are allowed to build a competitive team, then it is 100% the right thing to do.. I would suggest though if any price increases are planned, then maybe they should leave it for this year... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 hours ago, mikebv said: Re the comments about team strengths.. I read this post at the time and thought "that looks a good team, no wonder Glasgow were fighting to keep their side together".. It was when I came out of the thread I realised I was in the Kings Lynn one... Not any criticism by the way, but just an observation as to how team strengths are now unrecognisable from just 5 years ago, never mind 10, never mind 20... For me though, as long as the leagues have credibility and integrity, and each team are allowed to build a competitive team, then it is 100% the right thing to do.. I would suggest though if any price increases are planned, then maybe they should leave it for this year... Well that team you've quoted would come to over 45.5 points in the Championship... Much more than the current limit, and considering King's Lynn look like one of the weaker teams in the Premiership, it's hardly a fair comparison... Any of the Premiership teams would demolish any of the Championship teams, even Eastbourne or Leicester who look to be the strongest. It's a bit unfair to say the leagues are the same standard, because they clearly are not. I do understand what you're saying though, all the big names (Zagar, Fricke, Lambert, Lindgren, Woffinden) have all gone and it's a real shame. But as long as the riders in the race are all of similar standard, it should be an entertaining meeting either way, doesn't matter how big the name of the rider is, that would just cause more financial issues. I like the ideas that the British speedway is doing, but they're not going about it very well... A massive lack of information for fans and so far, no news on a new race format which stops the likes of Jordan Palin being in the same race as Craig Cook or Nicolai Klindt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, Dandelion said: Well that team you've quoted would come to over 45.5 points in the Championship... Much more than the current limit, and considering King's Lynn look like one of the weaker teams in the Premiership, it's hardly a fair comparison... Any of the Premiership teams would demolish any of the Championship teams, even Eastbourne or Leicester who look to be the strongest. It's a bit unfair to say the leagues are the same standard, because they clearly are not. I do understand what you're saying though, all the big names (Zagar, Fricke, Lambert, Lindgren, Woffinden) have all gone and it's a real shame. But as long as the riders in the race are all of similar standard, it should be an entertaining meeting either way, doesn't matter how big the name of the rider is, that would just cause more financial issues. I like the ideas that the British speedway is doing, but they're not going about it very well... A massive lack of information for fans and so far, no news on a new race format which stops the likes of Jordan Palin being in the same race as Craig Cook or Nicolai Klindt. As I say, no criticism, (or comparison), it was just I saw Cook at No1 and presumed I was in the Glasgow thread, (forgot he had gone to KL).. As you say, the PL team will still hammer a Champ team due to the Champ team being diluted to maintain the gap.. It was just a bit of shock to see how weak the top league had become, 'if' that is a confirmed PL team obviously... Could still be a competitive season though if all teams are truly similar from the outset so let's hope they can all put out such teams and get some decent racing for the first year of Eurosports coverage.. If it takes off then 'new stars' will be found, and the 'old stars' won't be known to any new audience watching anyway, so their absence won't diminish the standard perception to them.. And that type of team must be more affordable surely? Which can only be a positive... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 6 hours ago, Warriors said: Surly now this league is weaker than the championship, so the prices will reflect this, What do you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 23, 2021 Report Share Posted January 23, 2021 11 hours ago, Warriors said: Surly now this league is weaker than the championship, so the prices will reflect this, Interesting Point,but don’t think they will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted January 24, 2021 Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 10 hours ago, Fromafar said: Interesting Point,but don’t think they will. In my opinion if and it’s a massive IF the season starts at some point durning 2021 we should all be grateful we have racing in 2021 team strengths is almost secondary for the coming season . May 1st start date is very optimistic in my opinion though .As for admission costs they won’t go down they never do 2019 charge should be retained.Any club that put admission up is very brave . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted January 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2021 Things could swing either way for Speedway if it gets to start. With what's been near 12 months of restrictions the idea of open air sports may appeal, even to those that's never been before. British Speedway need to be prepared & push local area marketing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 On 1/23/2021 at 1:15 PM, mrss said: No need to worry. Jake Knight is making a comeback so is Paul Hurry. Both pushing for a rising star place.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) On 24 January 2021 at 2:18 PM, Daniel Smith said: Things could swing either way for Speedway if it gets to start. With what's been near 12 months of restrictions the idea of open air sports may appeal, even to those that's never been before. British Speedway need to be prepared & push local area marketing. I think that if the tracks can keep their pre Covid crowd levels then they will have done well... Two main reasons.. One, the demographic of the fan base and the % level of it that is in the higher risk categories, there are still many questions to be answered around how the various vaccines will cope with the usual mutant strains that evolve from a virus, let alone deal with the original one... And two, the financial hit to everyone that will inevitably have to be taken to pay for the huge black hole in the countries finances... Speedway (and sport in general) will be a long way down the priority order as to how money is spent I would think.. And a possible third impact is a bit more random, but my mates and I have all had Season Tickets at Old Trafford for a few years but probably won't be renewing.. The reason? Not particularly financial for us, but simply we have got out of the habit of going, and pretty much decided that watching the game in the comfort of your own armchair is "fine" and that spending over a grand a year, plus circa £100 a match getting there, eating and drinking, isn't really money well spent.. Many ex fans say on here how after a month or so of not going to Speedway that they didnt miss it, and that they too often simply attended out of habit... In marketing it is reckoned that if you do something/or stop doing something, for 28 days it becomes your 'new normal, hence campaigns are often around four weeks in length to try and influence that change.. Getting people to go back to doing something after well over 18 months has passed will be a serious challenge and will need a very strong campaign of advertising I would say... Lets hope with Eurosports involvement and support the campaign can be successful.. But the size of the challenge certainly shouldn't be underestimated.. Edited January 25, 2021 by mikebv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 Smack on again MikeBV. I was raised on a home meeting every week keeping the habit. Never looked at what else was on. A few early rain offs could be catastrophic on attendences when we start up again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted January 25, 2021 Report Share Posted January 25, 2021 On 1/24/2021 at 2:18 PM, Daniel Smith said: Things could swing either way for Speedway if it gets to start. With what's been near 12 months of restrictions the idea of open air sports may appeal, even to those that's never been before. British Speedway need to be prepared & push local area marketing. I thought speedway missed a massive opportunity last Spring. If they had been able to put meetings on during lockdown 1.0 when no other sports were live I'm sure it would have been televised and would have attracted mainstream sports fans. Some of whom might well have liked what they watched. I agree that families are probably itching to experience some kind of live entertainment outside the confines of their own home, so I'd definitely view starting before other mainstream sports are allowed to have supporters could be a massive opportunity. Take the point that some unfortunate people no longer have the disposable income they once had but there are also a lot of people who have retained their jobs and been unable to spend any disposable income for nigh on a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, Lefty said: Smack on again MikeBV. I was raised on a home meeting every week keeping the habit. Never looked at what else was on. A few early rain offs could be catastrophic on attendences when we start up again. The plan they have should defintely include a consistent weekly fixture list to get people back into the habit and routine for going.. And also do some discounted "bulk buy" tickets, say five meetings for fifty quid? Getting people there is key so all incentives should be used to get them back in the stadiums. Maybe also raffle off a season ticket at each of the first five meetings? £1 a ticket or 10 for a fiver, would see a good many fivers being spent I would suggest and make far more per season ticket than selling one would for ten matches or so.. Edited January 26, 2021 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 Simply perfect ideas - sincerely. But if we ever dream that they might be picked up and utilised by the BSPA you need to find some way to allow one of the Promoters to say " I;ve come up with a couple of good ideas,. How about this"! Coming from a fan or any kind of anoutsider - has in the past, been a definte NO NO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 Keyboard warriors 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 11 hours ago, mikebv said: The plan they have should defintely include a consistent weekly fixture list to get people back into the habit and routine for going.. And also do some discounted "bulk buy" tickets, say five meetings for fifty quid? Getting people there is key so all incentives should be used to get them back in the stadiums. Maybe also raffle off a season ticket at each of the first five meetings? £1 a ticket or 10 for a fiver, would see a good many fivers being spent I would suggest and make far more per season ticket than selling one would for ten matches or so.. Multibuy tickets are definitely the way forward. I've still got my unused 10 meeting Eastbourne pass from last season. Hopefully i get the chance to use it this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwright71 Posted January 27, 2021 Report Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/25/2021 at 4:44 PM, mikebv said: I think that if the tracks can keep their pre Covid crowd levels then they will have done well... Two main reasons.. One, the demographic of the fan base and the % level of it that is in the higher risk categories, there are still many questions to be answered around how the various vaccines will cope with the usual mutant strains that evolve from a virus, let alone deal with the original one... And two, the financial hit to everyone that will inevitably have to be taken to pay for the huge black hole in the countries finances... Speedway (and sport in general) will be a long way down the priority order as to how money is spent I would think.. And a possible third impact is a bit more random, but my mates and I have all had Season Tickets at Old Trafford for a few years but probably won't be renewing.. The reason? Not particularly financial for us, but simply we have got out of the habit of going, and pretty much decided that watching the game in the comfort of your own armchair is "fine" and that spending over a grand a year, plus circa £100 a match getting there, eating and drinking, isn't really money well spent.. Many ex fans say on here how after a month or so of not going to Speedway that they didnt miss it, and that they too often simply attended out of habit... In marketing it is reckoned that if you do something/or stop doing something, for 28 days it becomes your 'new normal, hence campaigns are often around four weeks in length to try and influence that change.. Getting people to go back to doing something after well over 18 months has passed will be a serious challenge and will need a very strong campaign of advertising I would say... Lets hope with Eurosports involvement and support the campaign can be successful.. But the size of the challenge certainly shouldn't be underestimated.. I think when live spectator sport does return , with the length of time it has been away there will be a huge demand. Premier League football, top level rugby, International cricket, Wimbledon, Silverstone to name a few. Sadly I don't think speedway will be one of those sports. With an alarming reliance on admission money to stay afloat, the group of people who may be more nervous to return to the fold are the over 50's, predominately speedway's demographic core fan base. Add to that another watered down league when you think it could't get watered down anymore, I dare say this will be reflected by admission prices, yes I doubt that too. I feel for Eurosport, they have jumped in with both feet and ended up with not much to work with. A 7 team top division was painful enough, try explaining to new fans a top division with only 6 teams, good luck with that. As usual after the BSPA conference, optimism is high from everybody in the sport, even at Swindon after their late withdrawal, A brand new stadium to look forward to which ironically should have been built 3 years ago while houses shoot up ten a penny around it. It beggars belief why it was not built last year when there was definitely no speedway or spectators to disrupt its build. As usual the proof of the pudding will be in the eating and for all the yearly eternal optimism nothing much will change, modern rocket ships on unsuitable, outdated British tracks. Covid and the Polish juggernaut League hasn't helped but I just can't see how the good times are ever going to roll again in this country. no matter what the promoters try to do. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castrolargh Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 It's very quiet on here regarding anyone's thoughts on a team .losing Robert was a massive blow,but not really unexpected,then losing Eric with the structure as it is this year is massive. I assume Cookie is pencilled in at No1 but what about the engine room and the rising star? Proctor ,Tj and Lewi @ 2,4 and 6 or 2,3 and 6 but where is out 2nd heat leader and 2nd string coming from? Richie Worrall as a 2nd string?, could MPT be coming back?(wishful thinking ) Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 Richard Lawson has been left out at Sheffield, so he’s available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 29, 2021 Report Share Posted January 29, 2021 Cook Lawson Jorgensen Kerr Proctor Bridger Future / Rising Star no idea if that fits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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