Greg Posted November 16, 2020 Report Share Posted November 16, 2020 Good luck to Robert seem alot of guy like pedersen and jack holder still wanna be able to ride in the uk not sure how that will work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 On 11/16/2020 at 3:01 PM, Greg said: seem alot of guy like pedersen and jack holder still wanna be able to ride in the uk not sure how that will work. Before the start & after the end of the Polish season? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie456 Posted November 18, 2020 Report Share Posted November 18, 2020 1 minute ago, geoff58 said: premier league had a cut/off last season end of august to stop clubs getting the likes of wooffinden did in 2016 for wolves and the polish season doesn't end until sept so it will rule that out still sour grapes eh.Oh and by the way he signed start of July that season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted November 20, 2020 Report Share Posted November 20, 2020 Interesting article on the British Speedway website today about Erik Riss wanting to stay at Kings Lynn for next year. They are quoted as saying he isn’t effected by the new restrictions limiting starts in other country as he doesn’t compete in the Polish league - although he’s signed for German side Wittstock who actually compete on the Polish 2nd Division! Somebody should probably let Buster know.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted November 22, 2020 Report Share Posted November 22, 2020 18 hours ago, geoff58 said: polish 1st & 2nd division are allowing 2 other leagues !! the main polish extraliga are only allowing 1 league that's the difference !! I’m well aware of that - he is still effected then by only being allowed to ride in 3 divisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 23, 2020 Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 11/14/2020 at 8:28 AM, Spl77 said: Blame the poles? More like blame the UK authorities who have mismanaged the sport over the past 30 years the result being the frail sport you see in the UK today. It's many years since British Speedway had crowds like Poland, can you remember the last 5k-10k crowd at your club? The seventies for King's Lynn ..... IMO the novelty of speedway started to wear off with our population in those years to where it is now, Poland will probs be the same as their country grows ...... the only thing that may keep the Polish people supporting their clubs longer is their obvious patriotism ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 23, 2020 Report Share Posted November 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Trees said: It's many years since British Speedway had crowds like Poland, can you remember the last 5k-10k crowd at your club? The seventies for King's Lynn ..... IMO the novelty of speedway started to wear off with our population in those years to where it is now, Poland will probs be the same as their country grows ...... the only thing that may keep the Polish people supporting their clubs longer is their obvious patriotism ....... When/if Poland become an also ran nation at the very top level then domestic interest will start to wain.. Just like happened to the UK, and then Denmark at different times, when they started to drop down the rankings after a long period of dominance.. Sweden too, domestically enjoyed their biggest crowds when Tony R and the rest were winning World Champs individually, and collectively winning WTC's.. Poland though will know this and will ensure by keeping protected places in their domestic line ups for Poles that they can help ensure they don't make the mistakes the UK in particular made all those years ago by allowing the UK riders to become the minority over here in many teams.. It doesn't matter how many times Leszno (or any team) win the title over there, succesful Polish riders and teams at international level drives all the TV coverage, sponsorship and follow on domestic interest from the fans.. They will have seen how "not to do it" and I am sure not make the same mistakes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spl77 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 On 11/23/2020 at 7:44 PM, mikebv said: When/if Poland become an also ran nation at the very top level then domestic interest will start to wain.. Just like happened to the UK, and then Denmark at different times, when they started to drop down the rankings after a long period of dominance.. Sweden too, domestically enjoyed their biggest crowds when Tony R and the rest were winning World Champs individually, and collectively winning WTC's.. Poland though will know this and will ensure by keeping protected places in their domestic line ups for Poles that they can help ensure they don't make the mistakes the UK in particular made all those years ago by allowing the UK riders to become the minority over here in many teams.. It doesn't matter how many times Leszno (or any team) win the title over there, succesful Polish riders and teams at international level drives all the TV coverage, sponsorship and follow on domestic interest from the fans.. They will have seen how "not to do it" and I am sure not make the same mistakes... The main difference between the UK and Poland is they have been attracting huge crowds for well over 40 to 50 years and the sport is embedded in those communities much like football is over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spl77 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 On 11/23/2020 at 1:12 PM, Trees said: It's many years since British Speedway had crowds like Poland, can you remember the last 5k-10k crowd at your club? The seventies for King's Lynn ..... IMO the novelty of speedway started to wear off with our population in those years to where it is now, Poland will probs be the same as their country grows ...... the only thing that may keep the Polish people supporting their clubs longer is their obvious patriotism ....... Ipswich had crowds in excess of 5k for the play off and Cup finals in recent seasons and I seem to remember a couple of good Friday meetings vs Lynn in the early 90s attracting crowds in access of 5k. However getting those numbers regularly mid 80s I would guess. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 It was always expected the sport would end up like like it has. The punters have always been regarded as mugs, where the promoters and riders think only of themselves. Rather then focus on the bigger picture as to why the fans are drifting away, their answer has always been to increase the cost of admission . Thinking back to those years when speedway was a full house, even then the stadiums was in desperate need of repairs. Some of the toilets were atrocious. Not fit for the purpose. When I see on the television those wonderful stadiums in Poland I marvel at the vast spectators in those wonderful appeasing vantage points, protected from the elements so enabling to be dressed in casual clothes, you then realise how far behind we have been for years. We are expected to go to our dated stadiums, pay top dollar, get mediocre racing, watching meeting that dragon for hours. Its little wonder this sport has all but died.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 13 hours ago, g13webb said: It was always expected the sport would end up like like it has. The punters have always been regarded as mugs, where the promoters and riders think only of themselves. Rather then focus on the bigger picture as to why the fans are drifting away, their answer has always been to increase the cost of admission . Thinking back to those years when speedway was a full house, even then the stadiums was in desperate need of repairs. Some of the toilets were atrocious. Not fit for the purpose. When I see on the television those wonderful stadiums in Poland I marvel at the vast spectators in those wonderful appeasing vantage points, protected from the elements so enabling to be dressed in casual clothes, you then realise how far behind we have been for years. We are expected to go to our dated stadiums, pay top dollar, get mediocre racing, watching meeting that dragon for hours. Its little wonder this sport has all but died.... I’ve been lucky enough to visit many stadiums in Poland over the years as you say our stadiums are dated in some cases very dated - while Buster has worked wonders on the kings Lynn stadium with out doubt the way I look at it is the stadiums in Poland are for speedway only here it’s very different KL is a stock car stadium that just happens to run speedway others are dog stadiums- if we want to attract bigger crowds first thing promoters need to do is promote the sport and try to attract new fans the die hards are getting fewer and fewer as in my case was totally fed up by being taken for granted that I will turn up each week . 2021 is a massive season for the sport without doubt the question I’d be asking if I was a promoter is has my fan base found other things to do ? as in my case once you get out of the habit of going it’s hard to get it back . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Scrutton Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 Sport in Poland is run by the government (it least it was last time i heard) and whatever supporters want they get where as in this country it was surended to the footlball mafia years ago and supporters have been brainwashed ever since it is on television 24 /7 you can't get away from it it on nearly advert even if it not to do with football Only footballers wash there hair exetra and many other ways . If you want to build a new stadium.its granted but try to build a sport stadium you don't stand a chance. how much Speedway did you see during 2020 ?? just lots of Football rubbish mostly from abroad,,, OH for the good old days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 7 hours ago, John Scrutton said: Sport in Poland is run by the government (it least it was last time i heard) and whatever supporters want they get where as in this country it was surended to the footlball mafia years ago and supporters have been brainwashed ever since it is on television 24 /7 you can't get away from it it on nearly advert even if it not to do with football Only footballers wash there hair exetra and many other ways . If you want to build a new stadium.its granted but try to build a sport stadium you don't stand a chance. how much Speedway did you see during 2020 ?? just lots of Football rubbish mostly from abroad,,, OH for the good old days. NOT sure Polish speedway is run by the government. Local officials may be involved but not on a national level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 there's about 600k Poles in the country, you'd think one or two would wander down to their local track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 26 minutes ago, ch958 said: there's about 600k Poles in the country, you'd think one or two would wander down to their local track I went to the Plymouth v Young Lions match in September. They had and marketed a big Polish/German style BBQ on the 3rd/4th turn run by a friendly Polish couple. Great Food and speedway fans running it. They explained that they and the Club are encouraging Polish fans and write marketing in Polish especially for them. Maybe something that BSPL could pick up on for the 600,000 across the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spl77 Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 30 minutes ago, ch958 said: there's about 600k Poles in the country, you'd think one or two would wander down to their local track When Gollob was at Ipswich he attracted a few Poles along but only a mini bus full. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, Spl77 said: When Gollob was at Ipswich he attracted a few Poles along but only a mini bus full. Fair point but probably a lot more Poles living and working in UK now than then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted November 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 It's a common misconception among British Speedway fans that every Pole is a Speedway fan. For Poles it's about supporting their town. No club, no Speedway fans in Poland is pretty much how it works there. Also, just look at the difference in quality of stadia. Even if they are Speedway fans, it wouldn't take them long to give up on British Speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clemens Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: It's a common misconception among British Speedway fans that every Pole is a Speedway fan. For Poles it's about supporting their town. No club, no Speedway fans in Poland is pretty much how it works there. Also, just look at the difference in quality of stadia. Even if they are Speedway fans, it wouldn't take them long to give up on British Speedway. Said it before, I have been involved in the Polish community for forty years and have only met one person, in all that time, who was a speedway fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted November 28, 2020 Report Share Posted November 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr. Clemens said: Said it before, I have been involved in the Polish community for forty years and have only met one person, in all that time, who was a speedway fan. And having worked with people from Poland most who come to this country only have one thing in mind work work and more work and earn as much as possible- going to speedway isn’t a top priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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