Bald Bloke Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 hours ago, mrss said: Half decent riders won’t win any trophy’s. Decent riders win things. I'm not so sure. Riders that can hold or increase their average could win you things. Whatever their average is.. Out of the Prem riders in 2020, who do you rate as "decent"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Absolutely, he is highly unlikely to get to their level but as tellboy says you can’t build a team full of superstars. Half decent riders are equally important. A decent reserve may not even be a half decent rider, if Doyle and Fricke are the yardstick but could win you a trophy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted January 5, 2020 Report Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Aces51 said: A decent reserve may not even be a half decent rider, if Doyle and Fricke are the yardstick but could win you a trophy. Agree. Any rider that can maintain his average or increase it can't be a bad rider, so must be decent, at any level.. ?? Edited January 5, 2020 by Bald Bloke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 22 hours ago, semion said: Never mind all that. The big question I wanna know is this chap Brian Bongo, is he available ? It's Brian O'Bongo actually and he could do a cracking job but will need decent machinery which has been his achilles heel so far, On a decent motor he could easily be the best ever newbie to the UK leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89buttons Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 17 hours ago, Bagpuss said: I think Kasper will turn out to be a half decent rider, he just couldn’t ride our mega grippy track. He’s too tall imo, this being a problem is accentuated on the smaller uk tracks where you’re turning tighter, and grippier tracks too, harder to deal with a higher centre of gravity Can’t think of many tall riders that have managed to overcome this and reach higher levels - Andreas jonsson being the standout I can think of reaching no.2 in the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Scrutton Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 Mike Lee wasn't a midget and look how he went until he went off the rails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castrolargh Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 Per jonsson, Bo Petersen,Hans Nielsen were all fairly tall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 Dennis Sigalos was also tall and lanky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89buttons Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 None of them are 6ft3/6ft4 though are they? And let’s face it hans Nielsen was a generational talent. i remember a few seasons ago reading a big interview with Nicki pedersen, part of that interview was talking all about fitness and keeping in shape etc through the season, he referenced being an ideal height and weight for speedway, he said he had gone up and down a little in weight over the years and felt 72kg was the absolute optimum weight for a speedway rider, he went into detail explaining his fitness regime, explained that when he was heavier he was giving away speed but also when a bit lighter than that he wasn’t as strong and also didn’t have the weight to get as much drive, it was quite interesting I thought. now obviously it’s a lot easier to be strong and lean at 72kg if your a Nicki, tai, zmarzlik, madsen etc. build than if you are much bigger, and at 6ft3 for example which is how tall say AJ and K. Andersen are, there’s no way you can be strong and healthy at that kind of weight at their height, so you’re always giving away some advantage. I know this isn’t the be all and end all but a few kg either side will make a big difference especially at the top of the sport the Grand Prix where the margins are so small. I’d point out niels, zagar and doyle as some of the taller current gp riders, to me these guys always look to keep themselves exceptionally light for their build. its interesting in all 4 wheeled motorsports the minimum weight takes into account combined weight of car and driver - whereas in speedway only the bike has to meet a minimum weight restriction. I don’t particularly follow superbike/MotoGP closely so don’t know how it works there perhaps my original remark came across not quite how I intended, I don’t think it’s impossible to hit the top end of the sport being tall, I just think it’s a hinderance, I’d also pose the question, are many of the riders people have referenced actually that tall or do they just appear tall on a speedway bike as many riders are actually quite small? 5’7 5’8 etc. Then someone 5’10 5’11 looks tall on a bike, like say doyle for example whereas Andersen the rider I originally referenced I believe is more like 6’3 6’4 which imo makes it a lot harder being that big! That said whenever I’ve seen him race he’s given a big effort and improved every time I’ve seen him race! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 Zagar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 41 minutes ago, Pinny said: Zagar? Why did you have to mention him - you will start Geoff off now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 7 hours ago, John Scrutton said: Mike Lee wasn't a midget and look how he went until he went off the rails. He was defo quite high a lot of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriors Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 8 hours ago, 89buttons said: He’s too tall imo, this being a problem is accentuated on the smaller uk tracks where you’re turning tighter, and grippier tracks too, harder to deal with a higher centre of gravity Can’t think of many tall riders that have managed to overcome this and reach higher levels - Andreas jonsson being the standout I can think of reaching no.2 in the world Andreas isn't that tall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woffy Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 Simon Lambert is tall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Connor Posted January 6, 2020 Report Share Posted January 6, 2020 Doesn't need to be a world great. A nice consistent rider who enjoys riding in Britain will do. On the height thing. Dobrucki was a very tall rider and whilst no elite world beater I believe he was a rider very much respected in Poland. If we find a rider who ends up being a 3rd heat leader dependable 6/7 points home and away kind of guy it isn't a bad thing. Now considering what Kasper could do in some of his away meetings. A slicker home track may make him into a very useful rider for us. I want him to be our number 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 Henning Bager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 16 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Why did you have to mention him - you will start Geoff off now I was actually referring to his height although I would not be surprised to see Ipswich chasing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 9 hours ago, Woffy said: Simon Lambert is tall? Unless you are 6ft tall, when you stand next to him you will find that he is indeed tall,. It's in his genes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89buttons Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 12 hours ago, Woffy said: Simon Lambert is tall? He is tall, and in my experience when watching him on smaller tighter tracks where you have to turn the bike hard, he looks awkward and uncomfortable as anything on the bike because his bloody long left leg is in the way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted January 7, 2020 Report Share Posted January 7, 2020 4 hours ago, 89buttons said: He is tall, and in my experience when watching him on smaller tighter tracks where you have to turn the bike hard, he looks awkward and uncomfortable as anything on the bike because his bloody long left leg is in the way! NKI is tall too, not sure height is the key ingredient. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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