Bagpuss Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, therefused said: No they won’t, they’ve all had a few years now and it’s the same rubbish year after year. Piss poor team from one of the worst management teams in speedway yet again Apart from 2018 when we had by far the best away record in the league and finished clear top? Lambert, Jorgensen, Proctor and Riss were all in that team. By all means criticise them for a dreadful 2019 but don’t gloss over the year before that. And yes I get people’s frustration, many of us wanted a clear out with fresh faces and I appreciate and agree with that. But don’t rewrite history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, Trees said: On a very low average ..... He is on a low average for a reason. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 14 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Apart from 2018 when we had by far the best away record in the league and finished clear top? Lambert, Jorgensen, Proctor and Riss were all in that team. By all means criticise them for a dreadful 2019 but don’t gloss over the year before that. And yes I get people’s frustration, many of us wanted a clear out with fresh faces and I appreciate and agree with that. But don’t rewrite history. I would hardly say the reason we finished top in 2018 are the first four signings we’ve made this year. the team is piss poor, it was this year, will be next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, therefused said: I would hardly say the reason we finished top in 2018 are the first four signings we’ve made this year. the team is piss poor, it was this year, will be next year. Kerr certainly wasn’t because he wasn’t part of the team but to say that Proctor and Jorgensen didn’t contribute to finishing clear top is daft, they were a pretty good engine room. I acknowledge they were both dire last season but why should that be any more of a barometer than the year before? I think this team will have every chance of finishing top four. The frustration is that they could have gone with three or four new faces in an effort to finish first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Kerr certainly wasn’t because he wasn’t part of the team but to say that Proctor and Jorgensen didn’t contribute to finishing clear top is daft, they were a pretty good engine room. I acknowledge they were both dire last season but why should that be any more of a barometer than the year before? I think this team will have every chance of finishing top four. The frustration is that they could have gone with three or four new faces in an effort to finish first. Win all your home matches and you have every chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 41 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said: He is on a low average for a reason. Which is what I have said previously , he left Kings Lynn and he continued his downward plunge at Peterborough and I am far from convinced he is any better than his current average although he will no doubt win races at reserve but as soon as he goes in to the main body he will struggle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Kerr certainly wasn’t because he wasn’t part of the team but to say that Proctor and Jorgensen didn’t contribute to finishing clear top is daft, they were a pretty good engine room. I acknowledge they were both dire last season but why should that be any more of a barometer than the year before? I think this team will have every chance of finishing top four. The frustration is that they could have gone with three or four new faces in an effort to finish first. Baggy, you're forever the optimist, always looking in the positive side, whereas I tend to be more realistic. When I watch speedway, I tend to look deeper than just the result. All too often I concentrate on the attitude and the effort the rider puts in. and unfortunately its not always that good. To bring back the same crew, to me, is a sure-fire recipe for disaster. When world class riders like Lambert and Cookie are not winning races, what encouragement does that give to the others. How can you moan at the other riders when your top men go missing. One of the plusses from recent years has been the consistent form from MPT. I have this thought, that he is the one, that has not signed for next year. How stupid is that.??? Another sure-fire way to p___ the fans off...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 With the expected remaining riders in the Stars team we wont live with the likes of Swindon and Belle Vue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 45 minutes ago, Sidney the robin said: Win all your home matches and you have every chance. Which we usually do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 31 minutes ago, g13webb said: Baggy, you're forever the optimist, always looking in the positive side, whereas I tend to be more realistic. When I watch speedway, I tend to look deeper than just the result. All too often I concentrate on the attitude and the effort the rider puts in. and unfortunately its not always that good. To bring back the same crew, to me, is a sure-fire recipe for disaster. When world class riders like Lambert and Cookie are not winning races, what encouragement does that give to the others. How can you moan at the other riders when your top men go missing. One of the plusses from recent years has been the consistent form from MPT. I have this thought, that he is the one, that has not signed for next year. How stupid is that.??? Another sure-fire way to p___ the fans off...... I like to think of myself as having a balanced opinion. I don’t think being completely positive or totally negative does anyone any good. I would also have had MPT back but he has a higher average than the two second strings signed so until we know the whole team it’s impossible to know the circumstances of his non inclusion. Mad for attitude and effort, I’ve always wondered how anyone can know how many per cent a rider is putting in unless he is quite obviously trailing at the back. Riders can be low in confidence aboard a speedway bike and look as though they don’t care when in actual fact they are trying their hardest. I’d be interested to know who you think was lacking in attitude and effort last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 31 minutes ago, g13webb said: With the expected remaining riders in the Stars team we wont live with the likes of Swindon and Belle Vue. Are you saying we may finish third As we’ve seen over many seasons what a team looks like on paper very often doesn’t ring true. Everybody seems to be fancying Sheffield but I just don’t see it personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrss Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, g13webb said: With the expected remaining riders in the Stars team we wont live with the likes of Swindon and Belle Vue. For once I agree with you. I would like to be proved wrong, but I can see another season of big beatings away for the Stars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/10/2019 at 1:12 PM, Richard Weston said: Looks to me like a team built to win it's home matches. Question marks away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castrolargh Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Apart from 2018 when we had by far the best away record in the league and finished clear top? Lambert, Jorgensen, Proctor and Riss were all in that team. By all means criticise them for a dreadful 2019 but don’t gloss over the year before that. And yes I get people’s frustration, many of us wanted a clear out with fresh faces and I appreciate and agree with that. But don’t rewrite history. We also had PUK . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Bagpuss said: Apart from 2018 when we had by far the best away record in the league and finished clear top? Lambert, Jorgensen, Proctor and Riss were all in that team. By all means criticise them for a dreadful 2019 but don’t gloss over the year before that. And yes I get people’s frustration, many of us wanted a clear out with fresh faces and I appreciate and agree with that. But don’t rewrite history. Although 2018 was a great season, Robert was flying, home and away. I think it was largely down to Lambo, NKI and Ty.These are very impressive stats from Robert. Robert at home 70rides. 1st, 50 2nd,14 3rd 5 and 4th 1..... Away 75rides. 1st 31, 2nd, 23 3rd 16 4th 4 NKI didn't set the world on fire, but he was very solid away from home, and the Lambo/NKI heat 13 and 15 combo were great. NKI seemed to leave his best rides for later in meetings. Home 41 rides. 1st 15, 2nd, 8 3rd, 11 4th 3 Away 53 rides. 1st 19, 2nd,16 3rd, 12 4th 3 Add to that Ty was flying that year, with a home average of 7.27 and away 5.80. Not doing all the stats, and although all the team got stuck in, and all played a part, I think the above 3 riders added considerably to Lynn's success that year. A slight worry is that Ty and Lewis might swap places over the season, and both could struggle in the 1-5. Depends on the other riders I guess. But who is the surprise signing then ? Lambo and Ty should put a point on their averages, and TJ, Erik and Lewis need to put at least a point on their away average this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: Although 2018 was a great season, Robert was flying, home and away. I think it was largely down to Lambo, NKI and Ty.These are very impressive stats from Robert. Robert at home 70rides. 1st, 50 2nd,14 3rd 5 and 4th 1..... Away 75rides. 1st 31, 2nd, 23 3rd 16 4th 4 NKI didn't set the world on fire, but he was very solid away from home, and the Lambo/NKI heat 13 and 15 combo were great. NKI seemed to leave his best rides for later in meetings. Home 41 rides. 1st 15, 2nd, 8 3rd, 11 4th 3 Away 53 rides. 1st 19, 2nd,16 3rd, 12 4th 3 Add to that Ty was flying that year, with a home average of 7.27 and away 5.80. Not doing all the stats, and although all the team got stuck in, and all played a part, I think the above 3 riders added considerably to Lynn's success that year. A slight worry is that Ty and Lewis might swap places over the season, and both could struggle in the 1-5. Depends on the other riders I guess. But who is the surprise signing then ? Lambo and Ty should put a point on their averages, and TJ, Erik and Lewis need to put at least a point on their away average this season. Who's to say we aren't going to start with them both at reserve,just a thought. That 2018 season i thought NKI was a bit of a let down to be honest.He was an out and out number one and he lost 1.66 from his starting average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted December 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, tellboy said: Who's to say we aren't going to start with them both at reserve,just a thought. For that to be the case there'll be no Cook or Riss and an abysmal 3rd Heatleader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Richard Weston said: Recall NKI carrying injury for much of 2018 and only got going in matches as track slicked off Exactly!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 If you factor in Cook and Riss to the 4 already announced what does that leave for the remaining body ( allowing for the British % adjustment ) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, tellboy said: Who's to say we aren't going to start with them both at reserve,just a thought. That 2018 season i thought NKI was a bit of a let down to be honest.He was an out and out number one and he lost 1.66 from his starting average. I think Lambo dropped about the same as well. Who is this big surprise, or was it Ty Cook and Erik not declared elsewhere so its them and another I guess.. Huckenbeck ? Edited December 13, 2019 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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