acef Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 27 minutes ago, Aces51 said: I think he will improve again next year because a big part of speedway is confidence and his successes last year should mean he starts next season feeling very confident. However, it's a matter of opinion. I think I saw enough in him last year to think that he has not yet reached his peak but I've seen too many riders have a good season and then stand still, or even go backwards, to know that you can never be sure. If you look at the detail, I don't think he's got worse as the seasons have passed. Last year was a breakthrough season for him and he was an and out heatleader in the top league. He's the classic British rider, does well on his own shore. I've described him as bang average previously and by that I mean what I've typed above. He's the kind of rider you'd prefer in your team than against it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 minute ago, acef said: If you look at the detail, I don't think he's got worse as the seasons have passed. Last year was a breakthrough season for him and he was an and out heatleader in the top league. He's the classic British rider, does well on his own shore. I've described him as bang average previously and by that I mean what I've typed above. He's the kind of rider you'd prefer in your team than against it. Quite Interesting that you would be happy to have a 'bang average' rider in your team. Your description, not mine ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, Beowulf said: Quite Interesting that you would be happy to have a 'bang average' rider in your team. Your description, not mine ! He also said previously,last season he improved enough to be British champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted November 28, 2019 Report Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Beowulf said: Quite Interesting that you would be happy to have a 'bang average' rider in your team. Your description, not mine ! Another who takes things far too literal. I've explained what I mean when I use said terminology. In this country he is absolutely fine and more than apt as a 3rd heatleader. Craig Cook is also very average but the type of rider who will do you a job in a heatleader role in the UK. It's pretty straightforward stuff and I have acknowledged the improvement that Charles has made. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtf Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 9 hours ago, Phil The Ace said: With the 2.5% deduction from wright it's actually 6.51. He achieved an average of 6.68 riding at no1 or 5. He will be swapping places between 3rd hl and end string with bewley. So should get a high 6 or low 7 point average for me He actually spent all but the last month riding at 3 or 4 but did a lot of heat 15s which tends to lower your average a bit. He’s kicked on hugely in the last year or 2. Not unlike Jason Doyle who till his late 20s was “ bang average” so who knows what the future holds but he’s on an improving curve right now. Wouldn’t surprise me if by mid season he’s riding at number 5 for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 19 hours ago, acef said: Charles has been gradually improving. He's a classic, run of the mill British rider. Will do well in this league and as 3rd HL he should get himself over a 7 point average. So, it's looking like: Kurtz Worrall Wright Bewley Kildemand Lidsey Pickering/Etheridge Given where I was a couple weeks back, I'm very happy with that team. A slight step back in the top 2 but I think we now have a stronger 3rd heatleader and better reserves. Bewley and Worrall for similar reasons, were poor last season. If they can get back to pre 2019 form then we will make the play offs I'm sure. What about Danny Ayres at 7? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, phillipsr said: Heat 15 doesnt affect your average so it didnt lower it all Sense when? Its always included?? Average is worked out by rides per meeting not just first 4. eg a 4 ride 12 point maximum works out at 12.00 average A 5 ride maximum is still 15 points divided by 5 rides times 4 to give a 12.00 average. (15 /5 x 4) Averages are easy to work out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, phillipsr said: Heat 15 doesnt affect your average so it didnt lower it all Of course Ht 15 affects the averages! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 Just now, stevebrum said: Sense when? Its always included?? Average is worked out by rides per meeting not just first 4. eg a 4 ride 12 point maximum works out at 12.00 average A 5 ride maximum is still 15 points divided by 5 rides times 4 to give a 12.00 average. (15 /5 x 4) Averages are easy to work out. ... unlike gradings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 minute ago, stevebrum said: Sense when? Its always included?? Average is worked out by rides per meeting not just first 4. eg a 4 ride 12 point maximum works out at 12.00 average A 5 ride maximum is still 15 points divided by 5 rides times 4 to give a 12.00 average. (15 /5 x 4) Averages are easy to work out. There you go!! Honestly thought it wasn't and sure i read that it wasnt.. my apologies 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, DC2 said: ... unlike gradings. But not as bad as rolling averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, stevebrum said: Sense when? Not in your lifetime, Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, DC2 said: Not in your lifetime, Steve. And not on a Swindon thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougie70 Posted November 29, 2019 Report Share Posted November 29, 2019 Who says we’ve signed these other riders I’m sure we’ll know a lot more after the 12th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted November 30, 2019 Report Share Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, dougie70 said: Who says we’ve signed these other riders I’m sure we’ll know a lot more after the 12th You will know after whatever date you choose to pick but it won't be anymore or anything different, because we have signed those riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted November 30, 2019 Report Share Posted November 30, 2019 On 11/28/2019 at 8:34 PM, Aces51 said: Last year, at the age of 30, he increased his PL average by 1.5 points. That shows he is still capable of improvement. He also showed in both the British Final and the Cardiff GP that he can now mix it at a higher level than he has previously shown. I would see him as a signing that could do well both at home and away. He isn't one of those riders who have a significant difference in their home and away averages. There was only 0.75 between them last year and I see no reason to think that any improvement this year will not be reflected across both of those averages. Agreed Two point increase in the Championship and finished second in the averages in that league. I think he's come up on the rails a bit but also believe he can go higher. Added to the fact that he lives only a short distance away and with his family connection to the Aces signing him is a no brainer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted November 30, 2019 Report Share Posted November 30, 2019 On 11/28/2019 at 9:18 PM, acef said: Charles has been gradually improving. He's a classic, run of the mill British rider. Will do well in this league and as 3rd HL he should get himself over a 7 point average. So, it's looking like: Kurtz Worrall Wright Bewley Kildemand Lidsey Pickering/Etheridge Given where I was a couple weeks back, I'm very happy with that team. A slight step back in the top 2 but I think we now have a stronger 3rd heatleader and better reserves. Bewley and Worrall for similar reasons, were poor last season. If they can get back to pre 2019 form then we will make the play offs I'm sure. I stand to be corrected, but with that team Pickering wouldn't fit. Etheridge, however, would. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougie70 Posted November 30, 2019 Report Share Posted November 30, 2019 Lets hope we get a out and out no1 cause we haven’t for years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 8 hours ago, dougie70 said: Lets hope we get a out and out no1 cause we haven’t for years And how many teams had a better number one that Max Fricke last year? Just Swindon. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted December 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 9 hours ago, dougie70 said: Lets hope we get a out and out no1 cause we haven’t for years Kurtz and killer are top 2 And when you see everyone else top 2 (except swindon) you will be pleased Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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