Col Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 23 minutes ago, gazzac said: True, Nikki Pedersen won his 3 World Titles whilst riding at Eastbourne and always said riding there and places like Wolves improved his ability on larger tracks. Pedersen was at Arlington in 2003 & 2007 but not 2008. Crump called Kirkmanshulme Lane is home track during all 3 of his World Championship winning years, that was certainly not a large track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, gazzac said: True, Nikki Pedersen won his 3 World Titles whilst riding at Eastbourne and always said riding there and places like Wolves improved his ability on larger tracks. Whilst I don't doubt it improved technique riding on smaller tracks, I would suggest that the level of competition brought on the riders more.. Top riders of the past rode against the other top riders several times on a weekly basis in the UK, which meant they had to improve accordingly if they wanted to be No1.. Nowadays someone like Dan Bewley won't get the same impact to his career riding a smaller circuit as the opposition level won't give any kind of barometer of where he sits globally... The likes of Bewley and Lambert need to be riding in Poland and Sweden's top leagues (on any shaped tracks) to improve their racing and position in the World rankings... Too many times British riders have settled for a 'successful' domestic career which nowadays, in the grand scheme of World Speedway, means very little... Edited October 22, 2019 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, mikebv said: Whilst I don't doubt it improved technique riding on smaller tracks, I would suggest that the level of competition brought on the riders more.. Top riders of the past rode against the other top riders several times on a weekly basis in the UK, which meant they had to improve accordingly if they wanted to be No1.. Nowadays someone like Dan Bewley won't get the same impact to his career riding a smaller circuit as the opposition level won't give any kind of barometer of where he sits globally... The likes of Bewley and Lambert need to be riding in Poland and Sweden's top leagues (on any shaped tracks) to improve their racing and position in the World rankings... Too many times British riders have settled for a 'successful' domestic career which nowadays, in the grand scheme of World Speedway, means very little... Very true, back in the day the Elite league truly was, just at little old Eastbourne, one week Pedersen riding against Crump, then Adams, then Rickardson, sometimes both and even the other heat leaders were generally top international riders. Just a shame we'll never see the like again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 1:35 PM, Beowulf said: Tai became World Champion in 2013 when he was Wolves top man, so you are incorrect. This kind of thinking does annoy me a little. Wolves world champions also include Ole Olsen and Sam Ermolenko, it didn't do them any harm (and Hans Nielsen spent his first 4 years there). What you learn on a small track is throttle control and how to turn a bike quickly and easily. Both of these skills are handy on big tracks. Not having a go at you Hyderd, you are generally one of most reasonable posters. No idea why I posted that post.Senior moment I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianLane Posted October 31, 2019 Report Share Posted October 31, 2019 Hope we build around Max, Dan and Jaimon next season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2019 1 hour ago, geoff58 said: safe bet that !! Not that safe. As It looks like fricke is giving uk a miss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 On 11/3/2019 at 4:12 PM, Phil The Ace said: Not that safe. As It looks like fricke is giving uk a miss hope you are wrong Phil The Ace, Max is still young and the more he races the more improvement he would/could gain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 19 minutes ago, hyderd said: hope you are wrong Phil The Ace, Max is still young and the more he races the more improvement he would/could gain As we have seen from far too many British lads, not focusing on overseas racing when you reach a certain level can hold you back... Max beating lower level riders time and time again over here won't improve his riding.. Giving 100% focus to Poland and the GP's in particular will deliver further down the line in his career I would think.. Hope it works out well for him if that what he decides to do.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 18 minutes ago, mikebv said: As we have seen from far too many British lads, not focusing on overseas racing when you reach a certain level can hold you back... Max beating lower level riders time and time again over here won't improve his riding.. Giving 100% focus to Poland and the GP's in particular will deliver further down the line in his career I would think.. Hope it works out well for him if that what he decides to do.. Max will be riding against world class riders week in week out. It's not done jason Doyle any harm riding in our league. Should Max drop the UK this next season, like you I sincerely hope it works out for him, and will be cheering him on in the GP's from my sofa. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 I wonder if Max's decision has the full backing of the Australian Team Manager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 No, mark wont back it. And I also wouldn't put it passed max changing his mind and returning to aces 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 On 11/3/2019 at 4:12 PM, Phil The Ace said: Not that safe. As It looks like fricke is giving uk a miss That means he be riding here then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, orion said: That means he be riding here then We will see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 5 hours ago, orion said: That means he be riding here then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted November 7, 2019 Report Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) On 11/3/2019 at 4:12 PM, Phil The Ace said: Not that safe. As It looks like fricke is giving uk a miss I'm not in the least bit surprised by this. Have to get Bjerre now. Absolutely critical. Cook should also be a consideration. I always find it interesting when you put Cook and Max side by side. Go back 7 years when they were both at Edinburgh and look at them now. The difference is quite staggering and Max dropping the UK will mean he only gets better. Edited November 7, 2019 by acef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 Bjerre Kurtz Wright Bewley Lidsey Etheridge Auty or Pickering If Fricke decides not ride in the UK that would be a solid side with a number of riders capable of improving their averages. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 8 hours ago, acef said: I'm not in the least bit surprised by this. Have to get Bjerre now. Absolutely critical. Cook should also be a consideration. I always find it interesting when you put Cook and Max side by side. Go back 7 years when they were both at Edinburgh and look at them now. The difference is quite staggering and Max dropping the UK will mean he only gets better. Yeah Max might get better but he'll be off the radar then, hope he doesn't go ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 8, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 I have heard that Freddie jakobsen will start at reserve so..... Either Kurtz Bjerre Wright Bewley Lidsey F jakobsen 4 pointer Or Batch Bjerre Wright Bewley Lidsey F jakobsen 3 pointer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradford Ace Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 Defo prefer option 1 there. Think Kurtz is better than Batch and gives us more room at rsv. If we get a decent 4 pointer with Jakobsen then we should look quite handy there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted November 8, 2019 Report Share Posted November 8, 2019 If the 2.5% British reduction applies we could have this team. Bjerre Kurtz Wright Bewley Lidsey Jakobsen Etheridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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