Crazy robin Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 hours ago, foreverblue said: Poole had to have the fist leg, not their choice it was forced upon them. Thanks for clearing that up & what a joke that a team finishes top & still doesn’t get a choice anymore. Another great thing television has done to the sport!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, orion said: Why is it a massive advantage It’s been proven over the seasons that the team with the 2nd leg at home wins more. The fact is that both Poole & Swindon didn’t have a choice which is why the league positions are for. Might as well just put the balls in a bag in future if that’s the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Crazy robin said: It’s been proven over the seasons that the team with the 2nd leg at home wins more. Well of course they do as the best team ( higher placed ) rides the second leg at home .if the higher placed team rode the home leg first at home the stat would be the other way around .. so try again what is the big advantage Edited September 30, 2019 by orion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 9 hours ago, Crazy robin said: Thanks for clearing that up & what a joke that a team finishes top & still doesn’t get a choice anymore. Another great thing television has done to the sport!!! So you don't want the playoffs on tv anymore? I think tv has been good for the sport in general. I would prefer the home leg second so you can celebrate the victory if you win at your home track but it wouldn't have changed the result of the first semi in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 It might be just a coincidence, but since televised domestic speedway started, crowds have declined on a yearly basis. Anyone watching it for the first time, would hardly be tempted to hand over £20 to see it live. The last few offerings have been bloody awful, racing wise. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Crazy robin said: Thanks for clearing that up & what a joke that a team finishes top & still doesn’t get a choice anymore. Another great thing television has done to the sport!!! post deleted Edited October 1, 2019 by tocha wrong information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, tocha said: post deleted Ha, is that cos Ipswich could have kept Thurs and Poole rode Friday? Trouble is too many clashes and the weather was worse on Friday than Thursday anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, cityrebel said: It might be just a coincidence, but since televised domestic speedway started, crowds have declined on a yearly basis. Anyone watching it for the first time, would hardly be tempted to hand over £20 to see it live. The last few offerings have been bloody awful, racing wise. Crowds were declined on a yearly basis long before domestic tv was televised . Speedway has always been first from the gate most of the time . Edited October 1, 2019 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 Fingers crossed that Jensen, Schlein & Morris come through tonight and tomorrow''s fixtures without injury...... Oh ... and that rain stays away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 11 hours ago, orion said: Well of course they do as the best team ( higher placed ) rides the second leg at home .if the higher placed team rode the home leg first at home the stat would be the other way around .. so try again what is the big advantage So if it wasn’t an advantage why do the higher team not choose to have the home leg first?. Surely they all can’t be wrong?. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, orion said: Crowds were declined on a yearly basis long before domestic tv was televised . Speedway has always been first from the gate most of the time . But, don't you think that showcasing how bad speedway is to a national audience, does the sport more harm than good. At least get the product right befoe exposing it to the world. It amazes me there are still TV companies prepared to take it on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Crazy robin said: So if it wasn’t an advantage why do the higher team not choose to have the home leg first?. Surely they all can’t be wrong?. Why do think they do ...why is it advantage ? simple question .. the final is a simple one as you can pick up the cup in front of your home fans but from a tactical view I can't any reason or any advantage . Edited October 1, 2019 by orion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Crazy robin said: So if it wasn’t an advantage why do the higher team not choose to have the home leg first?. Surely they all can’t be wrong?. I doubt there is any difference between chosing first or second leg at home in terms of the chances of winning. Last season there were 38 two legged ties in the cup,shield and play-offs across all divisions. First leg home team won 20 of the 38. What might be at issue is attendances. I suspect (but I am sure there are promoters who would know better) that experience shows that all other things being equal, having the second leg offers a better chance of a big crowd. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, arnieg said: I doubt there is any difference between chosing first or second leg at home in terms of the chances of winning. Last season there were 38 two legged ties in the cup,shield and play-offs across all divisions. First leg home team won 20 of the 38. What might be at issue is attendances. I suspect (but I am sure there are promoters who would know better) that experience shows that all other things being equal, having the second leg offers a better chance of a big crowd. Attendances might be the main reason but if you look at that its better to have the first leg first . If you get crushed in the first leg the crowd would be down for the second leg Edited October 1, 2019 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 3 hours ago, cityrebel said: But, don't you think that showcasing how bad speedway is to a national audience, does the sport more harm than good. At least get the product right befoe exposing it to the world. It amazes me there are still TV companies prepared to take it on. You cant always tell if a match is going to be good or bad ..thou you can help yourself by putting the match on a better track Belle Vue etc .. You have to put the play offs on and you cant help if it's rains just before and during the meeting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 5 hours ago, Crazy robin said: So if it wasn’t an advantage why do the higher team not choose to have the home leg first?. Surely they all can’t be wrong?. The main advantage of finishing first in the league is to choose opponents, the reason most teams choose to have the home leg second is to celebrate with more of their fans if they win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 15 minutes ago, foreverblue said: The main advantage of finishing first in the league is to choose opponents, the reason most teams choose to have the home leg second is to celebrate with more of their fans if they win. And how did that go for you this season? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, Steve0 said: And how did that go for you this season? Hoho my sides are bursting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, foreverblue said: The main advantage of finishing first in the league is to choose opponents, the reason most teams choose to have the home leg second is to celebrate with more of their fans if they win. Wolves have never won the title in front of their own fans. This year would be a good time to start ! Swindon, obviously, will have others ideas though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy swindon pete Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 27 minutes ago, Beowulf said: Wolves have never won the title in front of their own fans. This year would be a good time to start ! Swindon, obviously, will have others ideas though. Neither have Swindon. All to play for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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