LisaColette Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 5 hours ago, stevebrum said: They were 3 riders that I thought of too however what is clear you would have used the same argument with me also. As I’ve said the question was answered but you have chosen to move the goal posts as expected. It’s the typical response from a blinkered blue blooded fan. Because they are young and would have improved if they stayed at Poole anyway? Your argument is completely floored if you think most riders who leave Poole improve, when you can only think of 6 in the last 20 years? That is a very small minority. Ironically Ryan Douglas is better at Poole than Wolves, so track can't be that bad! And Nick Morris got worse when riding for Wolves than when he was at Swindon! So maybe look at your own team first!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 9, 2019 Report Share Posted December 9, 2019 4 hours ago, lisa-colette said: Because they are young and would have improved if they stayed at Poole anyway? Your argument is completely floored if you think most riders who leave Poole improve, when you can only think of 6 in the last 20 years? That is a very small minority. Ironically Ryan Douglas is better at Poole than Wolves, so track can't be that bad! And Nick Morris got worse when riding for Wolves than when he was at Swindon! So maybe look at your own team first!! A typical blue tint response. And a flawed response. Doyle wasn’t young when he rode for Poole. I stand by my point however tho what that has to do with Wolves is baffling. Wolves have in general been loyal to riders which is a different position to Poole anyway. But feel free naming riders that got better when leaving Wolves to make your point. I’ll even start you with one, Musielak. And you are still trying to defend that dreadful track?? Good luck championship fans, welcome to the world of the blue tints. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, foreverblue said: If you had read you would realise that what has been said is some riders improve for a change of club, some don't , sometimes it just happens at the right time maybe after an injury,do you think a change for Bewley and Steve Worrall would help them! Worrall is having a change from Newcastle to you so you can let me know.As for Bewley(staying) and Kurtz,(moving) I will keep you updated or you can watch them on T V. Edited December 10, 2019 by B.V 72 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 53 minutes ago, B.V 72 said: Worrall is having a change from Newcastle to you so you can let me know.As for Bewley(staying) and Kurtz,(moving) I will keep you updated or you can watch them on T V. As i have said before whoever improves or doesn't, the club isn't the reason for the improvement, they all had bad seasons at their Premiership clubs so you would expect them all to improve. They didn't have bad seasons because of the club they were at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 13 hours ago, stevebrum said: A typical blue tint response. And a flawed response. Doyle wasn’t young when he rode for Poole. I stand by my point however tho what that has to do with Wolves is baffling. Wolves have in general been loyal to riders which is a different position to Poole anyway. But feel free naming riders that got better when leaving Wolves to make your point. I’ll even start you with one, Musielak. And you are still trying to defend that dreadful track?? Good luck championship fans, welcome to the world of the blue tints. One rider doing better doesn't mean everyone who leaves Poole does better!! Doyle was hardly going to get worse! You can't even name a majority of riders who have left Poole have done better. So bit obvious it is untrue. FB is right, whether riders do better or worse when they leave a club isn't because of that club sometimes a season just clicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 16 hours ago, stevebrum said: A typical blue tint response. And a flawed response. Doyle wasn’t young when he rode for Poole. I stand by my point however tho what that has to do with Wolves is baffling. Wolves have in general been loyal to riders which is a different position to Poole anyway. But feel free naming riders that got better when leaving Wolves to make your point. I’ll even start you with one, Musielak. And you are still trying to defend that dreadful track?? Good luck championship fans, welcome to the world of the blue tints. Nicole Klindt got better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 3 hours ago, lisa-colette said: One rider doing better doesn't mean everyone who leaves Poole does better!! Doyle was hardly going to get worse! You can't even name a majority of riders who have left Poole have done better. So bit obvious it is untrue. FB is right, whether riders do better or worse when they leave a club isn't because of that club sometimes a season just clicks. So you are now saying that you predicted Doyle was going to be a world champion when he was at Poole? Makes you the only one who believed it at the time. Lift up the blinkers. 17 minutes ago, Arthur54 said: Nicole Klindt got better Is that his wife? Klindt most definitely has got better being at Poole. That’s a success story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 44 minutes ago, Arthur54 said: Nicole Klindt got better This whole debate has started because certain Poole fans couldnt accept that i think Brady could benefit from a move away In some fans eyes no rider can benefit leaving Poole....once you have ridden for them thats the pinnacle of club speedway..... What has been missed is that i also said some riders improve for going to Poole........Klindt being the most recent and obvious one I also said i feel Lambert could be going stale at Lynn and likewise to a lesser extent Masters at Wolves.............Lambert going to say Belle Vue could see his racing move up to the next level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyfan Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 18 hours ago, stevebrum said: A typical blue tint response. And a flawed response. Doyle wasn’t young when he rode for Poole. I stand by my point however tho what that has to do with Wolves is baffling. Wolves have in general been loyal to riders which is a different position to Poole anyway. But feel free naming riders that got better when leaving Wolves to make your point. I’ll even start you with one, Musielak. And you are still trying to defend that dreadful track?? Good luck championship fans, welcome to the world of the blue tints. Doyle was 21 when he first rode for Poole.....A real OAP...What was Matt Ford thinking signing an old fogey like that!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, stevebrum said: So you are now saying that you predicted Doyle was going to be a world champion when he was at Poole? Makes you the only one who believed it at the time. Lift up the blinkers. Is that his wife? Klindt most definitely has got better being at Poole. That’s a success story. How is saying a rider wouldn't get any worse, predicting them to be WC??!! Lol. The stuff you make up from people's posts lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Gavan said: This whole debate has started because certain Poole fans couldnt accept that i think Brady could benefit from a move away In some fans eyes no rider can benefit leaving Poole....once you have ridden for them thats the pinnacle of club speedway..... What has been missed is that i also said some riders improve for going to Poole........Klindt being the most recent and obvious one I also said i feel Lambert could be going stale at Lynn and likewise to a lesser extent Masters at Wolves.............Lambert going to say Belle Vue could see his racing move up to the next level No it didn't!!! It started because someone said ' every rider who leaves Poole improves' Trouble is said person knows what they said is a load of bull but they keep digging that hole! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, scottyfan said: Doyle was 21 when he first rode for Poole.....A real OAP...What was Matt Ford thinking signing an old fogey like that!! Haha. Exactly! Plus obviously Doyle would improve as he went the gaps that weren't there a lot of the time when he was a Poole rider, so finishing races wasn't exactly his forte. So as long as he corrected that he was already improving! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 Its long overdue this thread being moved. I certainly won’t miss certain posters in this section- although they seem to be doing what they ridiculed Gavan for when Ipswich were in the second tier 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 3 hours ago, lisa-colette said: No it didn't!!! It started because someone said ' every rider who leaves Poole improves' Trouble is said person knows what they said is a load of bull but they keep digging that hole! The first post i saw was from stevebrum saying "Riders generally do improve when they move away from Poole" Was there another one before that then where it said every rider ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 5 hours ago, scottyfan said: Doyle was 21 when he first rode for Poole.....A real OAP...What was Matt Ford thinking signing an old fogey like that!! And made huge strides years after leaving Poole despite being dead average in the top flight for years. Or are you now the 2nd person who said that Doyle was always likely to become a world champion? 5 hours ago, lisa-colette said: No it didn't!!! It started because someone said ' every rider who leaves Poole improves' Trouble is said person knows what they said is a load of bull but they keep digging that hole! Changing the goal posts yet again. I didn’t say every rider, YOU did. I said ‘riders generally do improve when they move away from Poole’. It’s no wonder I’m not entertaining a serious discussion with you because you change the details to suit your argument. Something you are known for doing. Someone who can’t smell their own bull eh Lisa? Comedy gold all the same. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 36 minutes ago, stevebrum said: And made huge strides years after leaving Poole despite being dead average in the top flight for years. Or are you now the 2nd person who said that Doyle was always likely to become a world champion? Changing the goal posts yet again. I didn’t say every rider, YOU did. I said ‘riders generally do improve when they move away from Poole’. It’s no wonder I’m not entertaining a serious discussion with you because you change the details to suit your argument. Something you are known for doing. Someone who can’t smell their own bull eh Lisa? Comedy gold all the same. Generally =most. 6 riders is nowhere near most Poole riders who have left in say the last 20 years, I'll keep it to the length of time Matt has been in charge. So yeah you still talking bull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 9 hours ago, lisa-colette said: Generally =most. 6 riders is nowhere near most Poole riders who have left in say the last 20 years, I'll keep it to the length of time Matt has been in charge. So yeah you still talking bull. Still talking bull I see. So yet again you’ve changed from ALL to MOST. Neither of which I said. Keep digging, it’s not working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, stevebrum said: Still talking bull I see. So yet again you’ve changed from ALL to MOST. Neither of which I said. Keep digging, it’s not working. Generally means most or officially 'in most cases'. So according to you in most cases riders who leave Poole improve yet you can't even name a third of them!! Have a look in the dictionary. Or if you are unsure of the meaning of a word maybe you shouldn't use it? You know what you said is miles from the truth, maybe one day you'll admit to it. That hole you are digging is getting pretty deep now! Edited December 11, 2019 by lisa-colette 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 3 hours ago, lisa-colette said: Generally means most or officially 'in most cases'. So according to you in most cases riders who leave Poole improve yet you can't even name a third of them!! Have a look in the dictionary. Or if you are unsure of the meaning of a word maybe you shouldn't use it? You know what you said is miles from the truth, maybe one day you'll admit to it. That hole you are digging is getting pretty deep now! And your history of moving the goal posts from the original comment I made makes any meaningful discussion redundant. As previously mentioned I stand by my comments, plus it seems you ignoring the movement of the goal posts means that you also dint understand how to reply to a post? That hole has always been big when trying to discuss Poole matters with you. Your goal changing is legendary and why I have no intention of giving your replies much importance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted December 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 Stevebrum, lisacolette, foreverblue, Scottyfan and Gavan over this thread like a rash. Hang on, I can see the value in keeping this going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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