Bald Bloke Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, foreverblue said: If only i could believe that i would be happy You should know more than me.. Just my opinion at the mo. If Ford has really asked to drop down, then let him.. Don't rally around to keep them up, or give him what he wants to stay up.. It's said that he runs it as a business for the last 15 years plus. Best sponsored, best crowds, dearest for families with kids. Made money. One season he hasn't the toys come out of the pram. Put that against most of the other clubs that struggle, and run despite a loss, year after year, hoping it will pick up. People moan about Buster trying to keep speedway at the top level going with TV coverage, yet Ford wants out at the fist sign of a loss. Yet Poole fans think Ford is the ** ?? Edited October 21, 2019 by Bald Bloke spelling 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 He is not the Messiah - he’s a very naughty boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 Ford is a businessman and a very good one at that - don’t most businessmen want to sell up or look for drastic alternatives to try making money again if their business is failing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 8 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: You should know more than me.. Just my opinion at the mo. If Ford has really asked to drop down, then let him.. Don't rally around to keep them up, or give him what he wants to stay up.. It's said that he runs it as a business for the last 15 years plus. Best sponsored, best crowds, dearest for families with kids. Made money. One season he hasn't the toys come out of the pram. Put that against most of the other clubs that struggle, and run despite a loss, year after year, hoping it will pick up. People moan about Buster trying to keep speedway at the top level going with TV coverage, yet Ford wants out at the fist sign of a loss. Yet Poole fans think Ford is the ** ?? I don't and never have done...that's just the very few Poole eediots on here! Whilst it will be a huge shame us dropping down, we need to continue to support the Pirates to ensure they're existence continues! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 9 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: You should know more than me.. Just my opinion at the mo. If Ford has really asked to drop down, then let him.. Don't rally around to keep them up, or give him what he wants to stay up.. It's said that he runs it as a business for the last 15 years plus. Best sponsored, best crowds, dearest for families with kids. Made money. One season he hasn't the toys come out of the pram. Put that against most of the other clubs that struggle, and run despite a loss, year after year, hoping it will pick up. People moan about Buster trying to keep speedway at the top level going with TV coverage, yet Ford wants out at the fist sign of a loss. Yet Poole fans think Ford is the ** ?? Poole fans have respect for Ford as if it wasn't for him we would have folded long ago, he bought the club and made it profitable, all of the clubs don't lose money every year, some have but they wouldn't exist if they lost money every year, that is why you have sponsors and if your main sponsor folds and you lose a lot from your expected budget then you have to consider other options. I am sure this decision hasn't been done lightly and i can understand why it has been done. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Poole fans have respect for Ford as if it wasn't for him we would have folded long ago, he bought the club and made it profitable, all of the clubs don't lose money every year, some have but they wouldn't exist if they lost money every year, that is why you have sponsors and if your main sponsor folds and you lose a lot from your expected budget then you have to consider other options. I am sure this decision hasn't been done lightly and i can understand why it has been done. will it be a cheaper option at the end of the day not so sure myself . when we see the quality of riders on show we shall see also there may not be as many league meetings as we had in the premiership last season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 10 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: You should know more than me.. Just my opinion at the mo. If Ford has really asked to drop down, then let him.. Don't rally around to keep them up, or give him what he wants to stay up.. It's said that he runs it as a business for the last 15 years plus. Best sponsored, best crowds, dearest for families with kids. Made money. One season he hasn't the toys come out of the pram. Put that against most of the other clubs that struggle, and run despite a loss, year after year, hoping it will pick up. People moan about Buster trying to keep speedway at the top level going with TV coverage, yet Ford wants out at the fist sign of a loss. Yet Poole fans think Ford is the ** ?? I agree with a majority of what you said. I get they lost money last year through sponsors leaving....................but you would have thought a top club like Poole would have sponsors lining up.....you would have thought that winning the league would lead to more season ticket sales not fewer........something must be badly wrong with the way the club was promoted hence why ticket sales were low.... Poole fans are used to being one of the best teams and paying out for the best riders.....................i can see many Poole fans voting with their feet this coming season. Brand new TV deal on the table and still Poole want to drop down. Matt Ford is a business man and when Poole speedway is doing well he was happy to pay out and get his return................the sport is in a mess and so rather then try and change the fortunes he decides to sell up and walk away............ Matt Ford is not a speedway man , he is only in the sport for his gain...............when he sees he isnt going to get a gain he walks away................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted October 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 11 hours ago, jenga said: klindt has a championship averge , does that count ? No, it doesn’t. It’s calculated against his latest average, which is a PL one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, Gavan said: I agree with a majority of what you said. I get they lost money last year through sponsors leaving....................but you would have thought a top club like Poole would have sponsors lining up.....you would have thought that winning the league would lead to more season ticket sales not fewer........something must be badly wrong with the way the club was promoted hence why ticket sales were low.... Poole fans are used to being one of the best teams and paying out for the best riders.....................i can see many Poole fans voting with their feet this coming season. Brand new TV deal on the table and still Poole want to drop down. Matt Ford is a business man and when Poole speedway is doing well he was happy to pay out and get his return................the sport is in a mess and so rather then try and change the fortunes he decides to sell up and walk away............ Matt Ford is not a speedway man , he is only in the sport for his gain...............when he sees he isnt going to get a gain he walks away................ Skidder has already said what you say is factually incorrect (I'm sure as a Poole sponsor he would know) so maybe read what he said? If the TV deal hasn't changed Poole's mind, then you have to wonder if the money being paid out is that much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 10 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: About 4 As I have said. Will hold my hands up if i'm wrong. Feels like a hundred! Too much effort to be a bluff imo. Though have to see if CVS can change his mind yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, lisa-colette said: Skidder has already said what you say is factually incorrect (I'm sure as a Poole sponsor he would know) so maybe read what he said? If the TV deal hasn't changed Poole's mind, then you have to wonder if the money being paid out is that much? Whats factually incorrect? Did Poole lose 2 main sponsors? Yes Were season ticket sales down even though you won the league? Yes Based on those facts has Matt Ford has decided to drop a league? Yes All im alluding to is that at the first sign of problems he has decided to walk away.......... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Gavan said: Whats factually incorrect? Did Poole lose 2 main sponsors? Yes Were season ticket sales down even though you won the league? Yes Based on those facts has Matt Ford has decided to drop a league? Yes All im alluding to is that at the first sign of problems he has decided to walk away.......... He hasn't walked away, he has the club up for sale but won't walk away until a suitable buyer is found. Ford saved the club when it was on its knees. I am not his biggest fan when it comes to some of the things he has done over the years but it is my view the club would have gone under without him. Edited October 22, 2019 by foreverblue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Gavan said: Whats factually incorrect? Did Poole lose 2 main sponsors? Yes Were season ticket sales down even though you won the league? Yes Based on those facts has Matt Ford has decided to drop a league? Yes All im alluding to is that at the first sign of problems he has decided to walk away.......... But yet again you are being very selective with your opinions. Matt has not 'walked away' as you put it. He still owns the club and is merely attempting to ensure that the club has a sustainable financial base for his son to run day-to-day whilst he is almost permanently out of the country. His personal approach to existing and potential sponsors will be on a much more remote basis, but he has another co-promoter to look after that side of things alongside son, Danny!! The big fall-off in attendances were on the TV league meetings, of which Poole had more than any other club. The season-ticket area of the main grandstand always looked reasonably busy - and I didn't miss a single home meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 8 hours ago, chris4gillian said: I don't and never have done...that's just the very few Poole eediots on here! Whilst it will be a huge shame us dropping down, we need to continue to support the Pirates to ensure they're existence continues! I'm in the minority, but I think the Pirates will be in the Prem .It would be a shame for Poole fans, because you are used to being, at or very near the top of the tree for a long time. It will come hard for a lot of the supporters to take if i'm wrong, and you do drop down. Ford said it's 25% cheaper to run in the lower league. That sounds about right to me. But the price to get in will be a bit less, and theres the TV money (if it's worth having next season), sponsors may not get the advertising on TV, so won't be some keen. When you think about it you have only got to be 2-300 fans down and it all gets very tight. I think Ford is cleverer than that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) Well the jungle drums have Josh G and the Holder brothers riding for Sheffield. Surely if Poole weren’t moving down then that wouldn’t be the case? I believe Klindt has also already done a deal elsewhere. Of course nothing is confirmed, but if it’s a “bluff” from Matt Ford and Poole then it’s one of the biggest bluffs I’ve ever seen. On another note, if Chris Holder does come back and ride for Sheffield with his brother, that would annoy me even more if I were a Poole fan. One or the other on their own not so much, but together they’ll get the best out of each other I’m sure. Edited October 22, 2019 by Arch Stanton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 Theres a couple of 2019 Premiership riders that have been offered contracts at Poole for 2020. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 ricky wells and james sarjeant not a bad start I say 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 Well if we do drop down to the championship, i wonder if Gavan will join us 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted October 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Skidder1 said: Theres a couple of 2019 Premiership riders that have been offered contracts at Poole for 2020. As 70% of them ride in the CL, that’s no surprise! It’s the 30% of good ones that you’ll miss! Edited October 22, 2019 by DC2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 14 hours ago, Arthur54 said: Well if we do drop down to the championship, i wonder if Gavan will join us Cant see it somehow..........would be a lack of interest as we not in the same league......i do pity the championship fans having to read the same old crap from Shovlar and Starman so i might pop in for a laugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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