Steve Shovlar Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, RebelDan said: I think you need to read between the lines here. This seems like posturing ahead of the AGM by Ford IMO. He wants Wednesday night racing to protect his business interests which is fair enough - the timing is ahead of the AGM though to lay a marker to other Promoters. Would the top league survive with just 6 teams ? I don’t know I’m speculating but I suspect he has no intention of dropping down he just wants a change of race nights and is letting other promoters know this ahead of the AGM. Also whatever price he wants for the club is less likely to be achieved if Poole are in the 2nd tier. Just my opinion of course not being close to Poole or Ford before someone hijacks my post! I don’t believe moving back to a Wednesday from a Thursday would make any difference to crowd levels. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebelDan Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Steve Shovlar said: I don’t believe moving back to a Wednesday from a Thursday would make any difference to crowd levels. Didn’t Ford say they’ve dropped by 25% (can’t recall the exact figure) with the change of race night ? Has it seemed a visibly smaller crowd this year ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 20% lower and yes it has been obvious. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 I don’t believe the change of race night has made the 20% drop. I believe there are several other factors. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, mikebv said: It's been mentioned that there is a new TV deal, with money on the table.. (?) If that is the case you could only presume it's not considerable if a Premiership promotion (a very successful one), is not ruling out dropping down and sharing in its 'bounty'? Who says the new (Eurosport?) TV deal is only for Premiership clubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: Who says the new (Eurosport?) TV deal is only for Premiership clubs? Good call... It would need to be a fair few quid though to go across a lot more teams.. One thing is for sure for me, Matt Ford is no mug and will make the right decision for his business.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fliss44 Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 23 minutes ago, The Doctor... said: Perhaps it's because your recent reputation and accusations aimed at other members aswell makes you an easy target. You've made allegations of bullying once or perhaps twice towards others if my memory is correct, and now this. If you were someone who i had time for, i would be saying the close season is perhaps the time to take a step back from the forum for a few months before you say something that gets you in genuine hot water. But i don't think you'd take the advice anyway. I couldn't agree more. Time away from the forum may give time to reflect and come back refreshed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedtiger Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, mikebv said: It's been mentioned that there is a new TV deal, with money on the table.. (?) If that is the case you could only presume it's not considerable if a Premiership promotion (a very successful one), is not ruling out dropping down and sharing in its 'bounty'? Agreed Mike, but the fact is a TV deal is not the silver bullet and a ‘must have’ that speedway needs. The original Sky TV deal didn’t help stop the downward spiral of speedway, truth is Sky could see it coming and bailed out...and the pathetic BT TV deal doesn’t pay a significant amount of cash because they didn’t need to. A TV deal doesn’t bring in the much needed atmosphere of income generating fans through the turnstiles, in fact TV keeps them away! Take a look at a normal BT TV broadcast this season, if you were a company paying good money to advertise would you want your product to be associated with speedway? To reboot speedway the TV deal would have to be worth millions and then a huge amount invested in promoting and improving the product...and the spectator experience and redeveloping stadiums and frankly that won’t happen. The cold hard fact is speedway is bust and Poole and many other clubs, more than you think, are in a desperate financial state and up ‘for sale’ and not surprisingly there are NO takers! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 On 10/12/2019 at 8:49 AM, Sidney the robin said: You are so wrong the points Mike make to me are sound exciting even.The crowds have dropped because people have become disillusioned nothing to do with the standard of rider they have found other thing's to do in there life to replace speedway.There is one great guy on this forum who is a great example last year i recon he went to about 50/70 meeting's at various tracks in the uk He loves speedway he was an ex rider but he has only been to 7/8 uk meeting's this year he has replaced the uk with European meeting's.He says the variation is poor poor facilities and generally speedway in the uk is poor value for money entertainment wise nothing to do with the level of rider. So if had Top division polish standard teams you thinks crowds would not go up ? please don't reply with your normal we not got the money because that has nothing to do with the point being made . Your mate is a poor example ..the rider level dropping is why the entertainment level has dropped . what I find so scary about speedway fans is the lack of understanding about the need for decent riders to bring the crowds in . of course most of them are really old and will turn up to watch any old rubbish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirates Of Poole Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 24 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: I don’t believe the change of race night has made the 20% drop. I believe there are several other factors. No it isn't and the club if they were completely honest would see it too. 1. Didn't stop me going but I met 3 people at the Wimborne Whoppa grass track meeting who said not bringing Chris Harris back was the last hurdle for them and they have been going for over 20 years! how many more people had that view? He may not win every race but he entertained them! 2. Poor track conditions, which I know a lot of money has been spent over the past 3 years which clearly has not worked - Get that right and people will return. The Good Friday meeting this year done the business damage with some new fans going for the first time plus others not returning who have been going regular. 3. Losing some major sponsors & clearly the carpet company going bust owing us thousands has not helped! I can name some more too..... Its all about the bigger picture! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 good post pop and of course "darcys meeting"done a helluva lot of damage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, The Doctor... said: Perhaps it's because your recent reputation and accusations aimed at other members aswell makes you an easy target. You've made allegations of bullying once or perhaps twice towards others if my memory is correct, and now this. If you were someone who i had time for, i would be saying the close season is perhaps the time to take a step back from the forum for a few months before you say something that gets you in genuine hot water. But i don't think you'd take the advice anyway. I thought that after the run in with Sue and Janet tbh. I seen to be very reactive for some reason. I can resist Gavan winding me up but others seem to push my buttons atm. Once the Poole team is done I normally have a break from the forum til the meetings start in April anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BobC Posted October 14, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 The Pirates are MY team and always will be. Whatever League we race in, I will be there. Once Pirate fan, always a Pirate fan. No other team will ever come close. I have said to friends for at least 3 or 4 years the we are no more than a Championship side with perhaps just one stand out rider. This season has proved we are no more than that level. It has been a struggle to generate any enthusiasm for the 2019 team,tbh. I think lots of people feel the same. On the occasions that I have been to Wimborne Road you can quite clearly see the lack of crowds, also there is a poor atmosphere. I dont drink or smoke. I can however relate to a smoker trying to give it up. I am fed up with it all right now. Once the season starts again, I will be following the Pirates in what will be my 65th season! 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 5 hours ago, The Doctor... said: Excuse me ? You wrote this "I'm not sure I would want to meet anyone who thinks it is okay to talk about a stadium being on fire" That's a little different from the rather back-peddling reply above. So are you saying that a person has to lay into every previous post on the thread before posting themselves ? Just admit you got the wrong person in a frankly borderline defamatory accusation there regarding arson. oh and @foreverblue i'm a reading fan, so how is that not neutral ? Because you obviously dislike Poole so that makes you not neutral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, foreverblue said: Because you obviously dislike Poole so that makes you not neutral. Not at all. I don't like a few of their fans and don't hide that. I think the attitude and carry-on from those and others do the club no favours at all. I've disliked Holder and Ward but my dislike didn't suddenly stop when they weren't riding for Poole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazysue Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 hours ago, lisa-colette said: I retract my statement last night saying The Doctor thinks a stadium being on fire is okay. I still have issues have him laying into me about the tiniest thing though whilst someone else says something far worse! At least if we drop down I don't have to put up with the Ippo fans and HS! I've only ever been nice, it's not in my nature to be nasty (silly and maybe sarcastic at times but nasty, nope) and I do find that comment quite hurtful to be honest. As for Poole, the top league would be a poorer place without them but if it is essential for them to drop down to survive then it is understandable, it is better to drop down and survive than to try to stay up and close, possibly permanently...now that really would be unthinkable. We of course dropped down a league for more than a few years and by goodness it was a shock to my system. Initially I was very against it and would look at the top league with envy, however I soon got over myself and my drama queen tantrums (I was a real drama llama over it) and realised that things were just as good as before, the smell was the same (ish) and I soon got used to the new sets of fans that came from other teams. That said, I was over the moon at our move back for this season. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, The Doctor... said: Not at all. I don't like a few of their fans and don't hide that. I think the attitude and carry-on from those and others do the club no favours at all. I've disliked Holder and Ward but my dislike didn't suddenly stop when they weren't riding for Poole. Ok fair enough we are all entitled to our own opinion, that what a forum is about. It is a great shame teams like Reading aren't in existence anymore so when someone on here, not you i know that, says they would like a club burn't to the ground some of us find that abhorrent and difficult to believe that anyone would want any club to close even if they hate that club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazysue Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, lisa-colette said: I thought that after the run in with Sue and Janet tbh. I seen to be very reactive for some reason. I can resist Gavan winding me up but others seem to push my buttons atm. Once the Poole team is done I normally have a break from the forum til the meetings start in April anyway. Just in case anyone thinks the Sue is me, I don't think it is...at least I hope not! I do the opposite, I am too busy with Updates to post more than my usual "Looking for a texter" drivel during the season, so post and read more during the winter, although I do tend to have a complete speedway break for a few weeks either prior to or just after the Aussie champs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fliss44 Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, crazysue said: Just in case anyone thinks the Sue is me, I don't think it is...at least I hope not! I do the opposite, I am too busy with Updates to post more than my usual "Looking for a texter" drivel during the season, so post and read more during the winter, although I do tend to have a complete speedway break for a few weeks either prior to or just after the Aussie champs. Rest assured it was not you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazysue Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, fliss44 said: Rest assured it was not you. Thank goodness for that, for a moment I thought I was trapped in a parallel universe where my evil twin had been upsetting everyone.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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