LisaColette Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: And where did they pluck that figure from ? Costs would be slightly cheeper, but the club still has to pay out a hell of a lot of money, insurances, St johns sheeters riders points money travel expences, Stadium Rent. The list goes on. The difference is you would get speedway vertually every week, so whats lost on the swings is gained on the roundabouts. And im very sure that Matt would puut together a top notch side. If that was the case then then crowds will still come. Hopefully back to a weds, and maybe slightly reduced admission. But if Matt put together a good side i would dobt fans would complain if the admission price stayed the same From Matt Ford, look at the article above!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, lisa-colette said: Regarding the track, there is a rider who doesn't agree with you! Hans Andersen! He says a rider who has issues with it is just speaking 'hot air.' Wasn't surprised by his comments tbh as when he was a Poole rider he did say the 'bumps' and 'ruts' were just home advantage! Also said if they made it smoother they would make it easier for other teams to win there! Edit - he only said this last week btw! Not surprisng really.. Most riders earn their money from their home meetings, hence usually join tracks they have had success on... For the fans it is all about entertainment, for a good many riders it is all about earning money.. (Not a criticism by the way, the jobs a dangerous one so they should seek to get as much reward as they can). For Speedway as a whole now, I do believe it's a false economy having massive home track advantage as the Leagues are simply so devoid of kudos (and financial reward), that winning 'at all costs" is a complete waste of time and money.. Putting on a full night of off track entertainment, allied to a fantastic night of racing on a well prepared track, should be the No1 priority and aim for all tracks if they want to prosper... Not 'doctoring' tracks to win something that not too many followers of the sport actually care about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 Seems like a no brainer to drop down for Poole Lets hope the true Poole fan votes with his feet and if the club drop down still make sure they go every week and follow their side 5 of the 7 teams, including Poole , in this years top flight have all had spells in the league below Poole were very successful in the 1989-90 seasons and i used to enjoy them coming to Foxhall with the likes of Adams, Boyce, The Langdons, Allan, Stevens............all good matches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Gavan said: Seems like a no brainer to drop down for Poole Lets hope the true Poole fan votes with his feet and if the club drop down still make sure they go every week and follow their side 5 of the 7 teams, including Poole , in this years top flight have all had spells in the league below Poole were very successful in the 1989-90 seasons and i used to enjoy them coming to Foxhall with the likes of Adams, Boyce, The Langdons, Allan, Stevens............all good matches WITH a new TV deal, including money, already on the table cannot see Poole or any other of the current PL teams dropping down. More likely that at least one CL track will move up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: WITH a new TV deal, including money, already on the table cannot see Poole or any other of the current PL teams dropping down. More likely that at least one CL track will move up. I guess it depends if the new deal can compensate for the 50% crowd drop for a tv meeting? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: I guess it depends if the new deal can compensate for the 50% crowd drop for a tv meeting? One answer to that is to announce which meeting is being televised 30 minutes before the meeting starts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 If any team wanted to drop down - it’s not a foregone conclusion and they would need to be accepted into that league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 I very much doubt Poole will be going anywhere,,, but they should if they need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammer1969 Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 As a Speedway fan, not a Poole fan or a Pool hater, my opinion is we see on a regular basis mainly the same riders competing in all leagues and most of the riders are of almost equal ability. A top league of only 7 teams is ridiculous so why bother to have Premier and Championship leagues, combine both and have a National League to accommodate up and coming riders and also any older/other riders who maybe want to continue in Speedway but are unable to complete to the standard that they were at in their younger days, also the older/more experienced riders could pass on their knowledge to the youngsters. One larger league would enable more fans to hopefully attend more local derbys and we wouldn't be watching the same riders week in week out surely that would be better for the sport. Let the clubs choose the night they want to ride on, local issues ie other regular sport in the area, transport issues, school holidays etc can have a negative impact on fans attending, surely the best people to decide which night the speedway meeting should be on at their club are the people who are most closely associated with that club and the area it is in. Will the riders like one league? possibly not as it would probably mean a cut in their income and they may have to think about taking on other jobs to supplement that but surely in the long run that would be more preferable than losing more clubs or even the sport altogether in this country. I have lost a number of clubs within travelling distance to me over the years, ie West Ham, Hackney, Rayleigh, Lakeside, Rye House and Rye House amongst other issues being a victim of change of race night causing the crowds to plummet. I have this year been going to Eastbourne and although, as some might say it's only in the Championship, the meetings, the atmosphere, in fact everything about it I have enjoyed and the Promotion are trying to encourage new fans every week and they have also rewarded regular fans with discounts etc. and to me it seems a club "on the up" rather than one on the way out. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 Given that most of the PL teams are made up of CL riders , I don’t think there are enough riders to have one big league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 20 minutes ago, A ORLOV said: One answer to that is to announce which meeting is being televised 30 minutes before the meeting starts The equipment vans might give it away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 The only problem with one league is it may force certain clubs to drop out of it and go to the lowest level or poss close. For example,,, one of the best tracks in the country is scunthorpe, and would be fantastic to have some good tracks involved, but I very much doubt their fan base is even slightly close to being big enough to afford a good rider to spearhead their team, so only the richer clubs will again eventually survive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 minute ago, lisa-colette said: The equipment vans might give it away! Only to those who live near the track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, A ORLOV said: One answer to that is to announce which meeting is being televised 30 minutes before the meeting starts Quite possibly but no other sport feels the need to do it do they? For me, maybe go the other way and massively market the hell out of the event locally and make the night an advert for your club and the sport.. If there is TV money then reduce the admission costs and deliver a full nights entertainment. . So many people "used to go" and are still very interested in the sport but now just watch on TV. Therefore do something that makes them sit up and think "Now that might be worth another visit".. I always think Speedway clubs would benefit massively by having a mindset of treating every match like its their last meeting ever. ie if it was, how they would market it, how they would promote it, etc etc Sadly, maybe one day it will be their last meeting ever if they don't start promoting themselves better when the TV cameras come to town..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, mikebv said: Quite possibly but no other sport feels the need to do it do they? For me, maybe go the other way and massively market the hell out of the event locally and make the night an advert for your club and the sport.. If there is TV money then reduce the admission costs and deliver a full nights entertainment. . So many people "used to go" and are still very interested in the sport but now just watch on TV. Therefore do something that makes them sit up and think "Now that might be worth another visit".. I always think Speedway clubs would benefit massively by having a mindset of treating every match like its their last meeting ever. ie if it was, how they would market it, how they would promote it, etc etc Sadly, maybe one day it will be their last meeting ever if they don't start promoting themselves better when the TV cameras come to town..? They have had enough time to do that but the promoters do not seem to do much promoting, the two main things that did work was having a good meeting and reducing the entry price when they were on tv. Just look at some of the dross we have seen on tv this season which would not have encouraged new or fans who have not been for a while to start going. Edited October 13, 2019 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 minute ago, mikebv said: Quite possibly but no other sport feels the need to do it do they? For me, maybe go the other way and massively market the hell out of the event locally and make the night an advert for your club and the sport.. If there is TV money then reduce the admission costs and deliver a full nights entertainment. . So many people "used to go" and are still very interested in the sport but now just watch on TV. Therefore do something that makes them sit up and think "Now that might be worth another visit".. I always think Speedway clubs would benefit massively by having a mindset of treating every match like its their last meeting ever. ie if it was, how they would market it, how they would promote it, etc etc Sadly, maybe one day it will be their last meeting ever if they don't start promoting themselves better when the TV cameras come to town..? I think you need to pretend to be a Poole fan and email answers to the questions! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, lisa-colette said: Asked how much a drop to the Championship would save Poole financially, Ford replied: “I would say it’s about 75 per cent of the costs that we experience. “That would have a pretty big impact on the club.” The way I read that is that the CL costs about 75% compared to PL therefore costs are 3 quarters the top level figures That would seem more realistic to me given many costs (rent, insurance, track maintenance etc) are pretty much fixed whichever league Rider points costs perhaps halved therefore an overall reduction of 25% looks a realistic position 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) I suppose with more money on the table a reduction in admission could be an option as well when being televised Edited October 13, 2019 by ray c 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 48 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said: WITH a new TV deal, including money, already on the table cannot see Poole or any other of the current PL teams dropping down. More likely that at least one CL track will move up. So with all the money 'already on the table' you have to ask why then is Matt Ford asking Poole fans to vote what they want to do? This money cant be enough to help Poole speedway or there would be no need for Matt Ford to ask the fans what they think..............he would be welcoming in the new money and stating that Poole will be top league This just seems to me that there are much bigger issues at Poole then......................as you say a team may move up, so why would the sports most successful club of recent times even be considering the thought of dropping down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gavan said: So with all the money 'already on the table' you have to ask why then is Matt Ford asking Poole fans to vote what they want to do? This money cant be enough to help Poole speedway or there would be no need for Matt Ford to ask the fans what they think..............he would be welcoming in the new money and stating that Poole will be top league This just seems to me that there are much bigger issues at Poole then......................as you say a team may move up, so why would the sports most successful club of recent times even be considering the thought of dropping down? the bigger issue is that matt is still trying to sell the club.which seems nobody wants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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