Poole 2020

[Sidney the robin]

1 hour ago, HGould said:

great on paper.

in reality do I want to watch an NDL reserve or 2nd string racing v Jason Doyle and Nils Kristian Iversen

 

er Nope!

Would the reserves ride each other twice ??? and maybe in another race against a number two and four.?

[ArthurRudge]

Can we all just stop squabbling 

[KrisB]

Don't see how Poole could field a decent team in the CL. Apart from Grajczonek at No 1 and assuming Kurtz and Holder don't drop, the rest of the 2019 team already have CL team places and likely to commit to those for 2020 at the earliest.....

Edited October 11, 2019 by KrisB

[SteveLyric2]

Poole will be in the top league again in 2020. Their existing (and new?) sponsors and the probability of a new TV contract will certainly support this. 

[The Weasel]

1 hour ago, mikebv said:

One league, but geographical, might be the boost the sport needs?

Similar to American Football, you ride against those within your own conference twice home and away and once against teams from the other...

Probably will need six or even five man teams and be ran at 'Championship Lite' level with maybe some form of rider control to ensure an even spread of the better riders, but could be worth it..

Eg

1. Prem HL

2. Champ HL/Prem 2nd String

3. Champ 2nd String/Prem Reserve

4. Champ Reserve/NL Heat Leader

5. NL Second String

6. NL Reserve

Maybe grade these riders but have an overall mean team average to prevent teams getting the best rider in each grade through paying more?

As said before, BV visiting Redcar, Berwick, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Sheffield, Scunthorpe and Newcastle can only be good for those clubs, and BV would also I am sure reap the benefits (even if just the once for novelty value) of a fair few away fans visiting the NSS..

Maybe Buxton and Stoke could pool resources and make a comeback at this level at Hi Edge given the local derbies? 

Poole would do the same as the Aces I am sure for the likes of for example, Plymouth, Somerset, Eastbourne and the IOW in the Southern part of the Country..

Play offs could then be ran within each conference before the winners of each go head to head in the Grand Final..

Market the sport as a fresh start, with a truly national competition, and see if more variety of clubs to visit/be visited by, would give it some positive fan growth momentum to be built on..

I like your posts Mike but I'm with Shovvy on this, I have missed 1 home match at Swindon in 10 seasons (and that includes NL matches/Ben Fund/Bob Kilby Memorials the works) but if this was the regular line up I'd seriously have to think about attending, with any sport most people pay to see the best, as a sports fan you can appreciate the effort put in by competitors at all levels whether it's watching your children play on a Saturday/Sunday morning in the U10s or it's the top echelons of the competition at a professional level but expecting people to part with their hard earned to watch what would be largely amateurs is a big ask, I'll support a NL match once or twice a season to see the development of potential future stars and to show support to the promotion at Swindon but I don't want a full season of it.

[Steve Shovlar]

15 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:

Poole will be in the top league again in 2020. Their existing (and new?) sponsors and the probability of a new TV contract will certainly support this. 

And the reason I won’t watch Poole in the CL. I will be watching a top flight Poole team and hopefully a bigger league as well, if the tv money is as big as rumoured. It might entice a team or two into the league with the thought of a piece of the pie.

[Steve Shovlar]

5 minutes ago, The Weasel said:

I like your posts Mike but I'm with Shovvy on this, I'll support a NL match once or twice a season to see the development of potential future stars and to show support to the promotion at Swindon but I don't want a full season of it.

Careful you will get the wrath of the forum descending on you for speaking as you see it. 

[Bald Bloke]

5 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

And the reason I won’t watch Poole in the CL. I will be watching a top flight Poole team and hopefully a bigger league as well, if the tv money is as big as rumoured. It might entice a team or two into the league with the thought of a piece of the pie.

Were you a politician in a former life. Back tracking at it's worst there 

[ray c]

some people I reckon live in cloud cuckoo land on here 

[mikebv]

1 hour ago, The Weasel said:

I like your posts Mike but I'm with Shovvy on this, I have missed 1 home match at Swindon in 10 seasons (and that includes NL matches/Ben Fund/Bob Kilby Memorials the works) but if this was the regular line up I'd seriously have to think about attending, with any sport most people pay to see the best, as a sports fan you can appreciate the effort put in by competitors at all levels whether it's watching your children play on a Saturday/Sunday morning in the U10s or it's the top echelons of the competition at a professional level but expecting people to part with their hard earned to watch what would be largely amateurs is a big ask, I'll support a NL match once or twice a season to see the development of potential future stars and to show support to the promotion at Swindon but I don't want a full season of it.

Understand your points 100%...

Given the number of riders needed, my own personal choice would be (temporarily), five man teams to deliver the highest standard attainable and also mean the talent pool is then stretched across as many tracks as possible. .

I just think the time has come to be radical and almost 'start again'..

With three main reasons for this. .

1. The crowd level Speedway gets now is pretty much down to die hards only, and most of them have proved, particularly over the past five to ten years, that they will attend the sport whatever is put out in front of them...

2. There are literally tens of thousands of ex fans on the tracks' doorsteps around the country, who no longer attend regularly because they either became disillusioned with what was being presented to them, or the cost to attend frequently became prohibitive, or not seen as Value For Money. An admission cost that was wishfully based on paying rider salaries far in excess of what the crowd level could sustain, rather than reflecting what was on offer. Therefore a lesser standard should be reflected in lower admission costs..

And 3. There are literally millions of people who live within say an hour of tracks around the country who have zero idea of who any of the riders are, GP down to NL standard, so won't have any pre conceived ideas of the actual standard disparity, so would attend (if you could get them engaged), with a completely open mind..

Therefore surely it's about time to be radical and try something very different? 

Put out a heat structure that doesn't mean top riders race against NL riders, but instead delivers every heat where four riders of commensurate ability race against each other.. 

Heroes can be delivered at any level, meaning fans can develop an affinity towards them regardless of their standing in the 'world order' and more 'local derbies' against teams several clubs haven't raced against for several years (or maybe even ever?) can only stimulate interest surely? Interest that may lay dormant in many of the thousands who live in close proximity to the tracks and possibly spur them on to attend again? 

Speedway seems to try all sorts to generate 'new fans', when just getting half those who used to attend regularly, who have either left the sport completely,  or now just visit infrequently, would make a huge difference to its success..

Maybe doing 'something different' whilst reducing costs, would see some of them return and kick start some momentum?

One thing is for sure, doing the 'same old, same old' as has happened for so long, (and all crowd level evidence shows), definitely wont..

Edited October 11, 2019 by mikebv

[orion]

7 minutes ago, mikebv said:

Understand your points 100%...

Given the number of riders needed, my own personal choice would be (temporarily), five man teams to deliver the highest standard attainable and also mean the talent pool is then stretched across as many tracks as possible. .

I just think the time has come to be radical and almost 'start again'..

With three main reasons for this. .

1. The crowd level Speedway gets now is pretty much down to die hards only, and most of them have proved, particularly over the past five to ten years, that they will attend the sport whatever is put out in front of them...

2. There are literally tens of thousands of ex fans on the tracks' doorsteps around the country, who no longer attend regularly because they either became disillusioned with what was being presented to them, or the cost to attend frequently became prohibitive, or not seen as Value For Money. An admission cost that was wishfully based on paying rider salaries far in excess of what the crowd level could sustain, rather than reflecting what was on offer. Therefore a lesser standard should be reflected in lower admission costs..

And 3. There are literally millions of people who live within say an hour of tracks around the country who have zero idea of who any of the riders are, GP down to NL standard, so won't have any pre conceived ideas of the actual standard disparity, so would attend (if you could get them engaged), with a completely open mind..

Therefore surely it's about time to be radical and try something very different? 

Put out a heat structure that doesn't mean top riders race against NL riders, but instead delivers every heat where four riders of commensurate ability race against each other.. 

Heroes can be delivered at any level, meaning fans can develop an affinity towards them regardless of their standing in the 'world order' and more 'local derbies' against teams several clubs haven't raced against for several years (or maybe even ever?) can only stimulate interest surely? Interest that may lay dormant in many of the thousands who live in close proximity to the tracks and possibly spur them on to attend again? 

Speedway seems to try all sorts to generate 'new fans', when just getting half those who used to attend regularly, who have either left the sport completely,  or now just visit infrequently, would make a huge difference to its success..

Maybe doing 'something different' whilst reducing costs, would see some of them return and kick start some momentum?

One thing is for sure, doing the 'same old, same old' as has happened for so long, (and all crowd level evidence shows), definitely wont..

So wrong on so many levels I don't where you start .. you go wrong on the first point you want fans to come back . the simple is that as the level  of rider has dropped and so have the fans .  dropping the standard again is not radical and is not very different its the plan that has not worked .

[mikebv]

4 minutes ago, orion said:

So wrong on so many levels I don't where you start .. you go wrong on the first point you want fans to come back . the simple is that as the level  of rider has dropped and so have the fans .  dropping the standard again is not radical and is not very different its the plan that has not worked .

Well if you disagree, it's a good start. ..

[LisaColette]

1 hour ago, KrisB said:

Don't see how Poole could field a decent team in the CL. Apart from Grajczonek at No 1 and assuming Kurtz and Holder don't drop, the rest of the 2019 team already have CL team places and likely to commit to those for 2020 at the earliest.....

Josh rides in Poland so prob wouldn't be in the team if we dropped down. Hasn't done Champ for a couple of seasons. 

[Badge]

3 minutes ago, lisa-colette said:

Josh rides in Poland so prob wouldn't be in the team if we dropped down. Hasn't done Champ for a couple of seasons. 

As a Pole he's not allowed to.

[orion]

9 minutes ago, mikebv said:

Well if you disagree, it's a good start. ..

Well its only the 20th time you put the same post up ….it's comedy if nothing else  

[Bagpuss]

If Poole ever dropped down they’d be the biggest fish in that pond and would have no trouble attracting whatever riders they wanted and would start the season as one of the favourites I’m sure. 

[ray c]

21 minutes ago, Bagpuss said:

If Poole ever dropped down they’d be the biggest fish in that pond and would have no trouble attracting whatever riders they wanted and would start the season as one of the favourites I’m sure. 

Im sure if we dropped down there would not be that much money to splash about

[foreverblue]

Don't know where this dropping down a league nonsense came from, there is absolutely zero chance of it happening.

[ray c]

49 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

Don't know where this dropping down a league nonsense came from, there is absolutely zero chance of it happening.

if you read the article in the echo earlier in the week I think you will find that's where it came from 

[dorset delight]

6 hours ago, ray c said:

Why would anyone who goes home and away would walk away because they have dropped down a league 

I did and so did quite few others at the end of 84,Pl just wasn't for me and it was another 15 years before I went back

It's a personal choice and if we did drop down(not that is going to happen) I would stop going again not that I go much now