Starman2006 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Mediman said: My company Medicare sponsors Poole not for any main reward but we love the sport and I go back many years working with the Knott family. it must be hard trying to balance books in a sport that has so much potential but continues to shoot itself in the foot. i have posted before that I have asked for fans involvement and to listen to some really good suggestions but the bspa turn a blind eye and work in their own universe of make believe. i could not run my business like they run our beloved sport. With a tv deal in place the powers that be should look to bring in more teams perhaps look at 6 man teams sort out the guest and rider replacement issues to allow for fairer racing and start marketing the product. Alas this won’t happen and each promotion will want to look after their asset which is understandable but we really need some joined up thinking. as for Poole next season who knows II don’t blame Matt if he decides to drop leagues or even quit he has done his best for Poole not everyone’s cup of tea but at least he has provided us with years of entertainment and his work with us has always been top draw. Good post mate. And i think the majority of Poole fans would back that bottom sentance decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 Judging by the article in Speedy Star this week whichever league Poole Somerset or any club operate in next year, they could be without Nico Covatti who is seriously considering giving British speedway a miss! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 Just got in to read this thread and have a good chuckle. To be clear. I am not a fan of second division speedway. The top flight is bad enough and has tested my resolve this season. I am not interested in handing over money to watch lower league racing. I won’t be the only one who has this opinion. Crowds have dropped in recent seasons as the top flight has watered down. Less top riders equals smaller crowd. Fact. I don’t believe Poole will drop down. Hopefully the any tv deal will be decent enough for clubs to remain secure financially. But rather no deal and no tv than BT getting a free ride to the detriment of the sport. If fans want to watch league racing they need to come along and watch it live. Alternatively a tenner a meeting to watch the stream. But only for fans living outside a 30 mile radius. The sport would do far better with no deal, unless the money offered was close to what Sky were paying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: Just got in to read this thread and have a good chuckle. To be clear. I am not a fan of second division speedway. The top flight is bad enough and has tested my resolve this season. I am not interested in handing over money to watch lower league racing. I won’t be the only one who has this opinion. Crowds have dropped in recent seasons as the top flight has watered down. Less top riders equals smaller crowd. Fact. I don’t believe Poole will drop down. Hopefully the any tv deal will be decent enough for clubs to remain secure financially. But rather no deal and no tv than BT getting a free ride to the detriment of the sport. If fans want to watch league racing they need to come along and watch it live. Alternatively a tenner a meeting to watch the stream. But only for fans living outside a 30 mile radius. The sport would do far better with no deal, unless the money offered was close to what Sky were paying. You dont have to be a fan of lower league speedway.............but you certainly arent a fan of Poole speedway if you dont feel its worth going if they drop down..............good job Ipswich fans didnt walk away from their club when we had to drop down...........and now look where we are .... a fully deserved grand final in our first season back I do hope for Poole speedways sake that the rest of your fans arent fickle and you are simply a lone voice............because if other Poole regular fans who attend have the same stance as you then Poole speedway will go under 'If fans want to watch league racing they need to come along and watch it live'...............what a load of tripe............we cant all be like you and have nothing else in our lives that mean we can go to every meeting.......... You live in your own unique little world For the real true Poole fans out there i hope you continue to support your club through good and bad and not just be so used to success that when it appears to be fading you desert your team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 Lynn fans didn’t walk away from Saddlebow when Buster took us down a notch. In fact the buzz came back to the place for a few years. Loads of rider/fan interaction in those days. Nothing wrong with the 2nd tier. The standard there has remained constant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 37 minutes ago, Gavan said: You dont have to be a fan of lower league speedway.............but you certainly arent a fan of Poole speedway if you dont feel its worth going if they drop down..............good job Ipswich fans didnt walk away from their club when we had to drop down...........and now look where we are .... a fully deserved grand final in our first season back I do hope for Poole speedways sake that the rest of your fans arent fickle and you are simply a lone voice............because if other Poole regular fans who attend have the same stance as you then Poole speedway will go under 'If fans want to watch league racing they need to come along and watch it live'...............what a load of tripe............we cant all be like you and have nothing else in our lives that mean we can go to every meeting.......... You live in your own unique little world For the real true Poole fans out there i hope you continue to support your club through good and bad and not just be so used to success that when it appears to be fading you desert your team I supported them when we were in the lower league, where we had a considerable amount of success, would never turn my back on them what ever league they were in 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 31 minutes ago, semion said: Lynn fans didn’t walk away from Saddlebow when Buster took us down a notch. In fact the buzz came back to the place for a few years. Loads of rider/fan interaction in those days. Nothing wrong with the 2nd tier. The standard there has remained constant Yrs i believe it would at poole as well either your a supporter either or not cant be both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Steve Shovlar said: Just got in to read this thread and have a good chuckle. To be clear. I am not a fan of second division speedway. The top flight is bad enough and has tested my resolve this season. I am not interested in handing over money to watch lower league racing. I won’t be the only one who has this opinion. Crowds have dropped in recent seasons as the top flight has watered down. Less top riders equals smaller crowd. Fact. I don’t believe Poole will drop down. Hopefully the any tv deal will be decent enough for clubs to remain secure financially. But rather no deal and no tv than BT getting a free ride to the detriment of the sport. If fans want to watch league racing they need to come along and watch it live. Alternatively a tenner a meeting to watch the stream. But only for fans living outside a 30 mile radius. The sport would do far better with no deal, unless the money offered was close to what Sky were paying. Did you go to the old National league in the 80'S ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 46 minutes ago, semion said: Lynn fans didn’t walk away from Saddlebow when Buster took us down a notch. In fact the buzz came back to the place for a few years. Loads of rider/fan interaction in those days. Nothing wrong with the 2nd tier. The standard there has remained constant The standard is almost the same take a look at the averages... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: The standard is almost the same take a look at the averages... Do averages tell a story? I mean Poole have 4 riders over 8 at the moment. Look back at 2008 or 9 and hardly any team had that. Does it mean the league is stronger now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Starman2006 said: The standard is almost the same take a look at the averages... 10 minutes ago, iris123 said: Do averages tell a story? I mean Poole have 4 riders over 8 at the moment. Look back at 2008 or 9 and hardly any team had that. Does it mean the league is stronger now? For once Starman is making some sense. He is saying that the difference between PL and CL is smaller than ever as demonstrated by riders averages being similar in both leagues where they double up. Back 'in the day' you could about half the 2nd tier average to see how a rider would score in the top league. Now we have riders at No1 for their teams at both levels Edited October 10, 2019 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv auto correct bollox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 minute ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: For once Starman is making some sense. He is saying that the difference between PL and CL is smaller than ever as demonstrated by riders averages being similar in both leagues where they double up. Back 'in the day' you could about half the 2nd tier average to see how a rider would score in the top league. Now we have riders at No1 for their teams at both levels Ah ok, gottcha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, iris123 said: Ah ok, gottcha ...and correction, Poole don't have even one rider with an official GSA over 8 points!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: ...and correction, Poole don't have even one rider with an official GSA over 8 points!! Not GSA, but average including bonus points. Isn't that how it worked years ago? There was me thinking you can't compare one with the other. But maybe I made a mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 17 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: For once Starman is making some sense. He is saying that the difference between PL and CL is smaller than ever as demonstrated by riders averages being similar in both leagues where they double up. Back 'in the day' you could about half the 2nd tier average to see how a rider would score in the top league. Now we have riders at No1 for their teams at both levels Only got to look at the averages mate. To me its a no brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 Personally i tend not to look at averages because they never tell the whole story anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 You have to look at the averages (GSA's) when you are team building cos thats how it works!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pirate Rich Posted October 10, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 Compared to many on here I am a recent supporter of the Pirates. I started going to speedway in the early 1970's supporting Oxford Rebels as they were then, following the team to White City in '76, then back to Oxford in the lower division and on to the glory years of the mid 80's with the likes of Nielsen, Wigg etc. Poole were always my "second team" looking forward to seeing them at Oxford and always going to see them if I was on holiday on the south coast. When Oxford sadly folded in 2007 I became a Pirates supporter despite a trip of 105 miles each way. Obviously I don't get down there too often, usually managing about 5 or 6 meetings in a season. It saddens me to hear of people who would not support the Pirates in a lower league, do you not realise how lucky you are? Ask the supporters of say, Cradley, Reading, Rye House, Wimbledon, Lakeside and countless other now defunct teams how they would feel about about Championship League racing. I now have my Buckinghamshire home on the market and an offer accepted on a house in Poole, hopefully I will have relocated in time for next season and I will be there to support the Pirates every week. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMessiahOfTheBSF Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said: Just got in to read this thread and have a good chuckle. To be clear. I am not a fan of second division speedway. The top flight is bad enough and has tested my resolve this season. I am not interested in handing over money to watch lower league racing. I won’t be the only one who has this opinion. Crowds have dropped in recent seasons as the top flight has watered down. Less top riders equals smaller crowd. Fact. I don’t believe Poole will drop down. Hopefully the any tv deal will be decent enough for clubs to remain secure financially. But rather no deal and no tv than BT getting a free ride to the detriment of the sport. If fans want to watch league racing they need to come along and watch it live. Alternatively a tenner a meeting to watch the stream. But only for fans living outside a 30 mile radius. The sport would do far better with no deal, unless the money offered was close to what Sky were paying. Don't think your a fan of Poole either considering you would turn your back on the club if they were to run Championship Speedway in 2020. When times are tough that is when your club needs you the most. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 Steve Shoveller - do you wonder what fans of Coventry, Lakeside, Oxford, Wimbledon, Crawley Heath, etc etc etc think when they read that you’d turn your back on your local track even though it would still be operating - the chance to watch regular (almost!) live speedway - when so many others have had it taken away from them You really are the pits - or should that be the back straight bog? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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