Steve0 Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 5 hours ago, stevebrum said: Ridiculous if considered. If so we demand reassessments for Freddie, Tai and Piotr Pawlicki. Are you sure? Because Freddie and Tai would only get increased IMHO to reflect where they are on the world stage. Holder should have an average roughly the same as Batch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 7 hours ago, Aces51 said: The standard of riders in the PL has dropped year on year for many years. Generally, the average of riders returning after being absent for a number of years should be increased, not reduced because their average was attained when the standard was higher. However, as I have said many times, the most sensible way is to give them an average based on their average in whichever foreign league(s) they have most recently ridden. It would be easy to devise a formula to convert averages for each foreign league to an assessed PL average. That would, overnight, do away with those who come here when relatively inexperienced, don't ride here for a few years, improve significantly and then return on their original low average and cater for those who have not ridden here for a few years but are on a downward spiral in the twilight of their careers and realistically, wouldn't achieve their past PL average. A perfect example is Mikkel Michelsen whose most recent GSA is 6.02 (2015) but based on his Swedish and Danish form should be around nine now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Eck Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 7 hours ago, Aces51 said: The standard of riders in the PL has dropped year on year for many years. Generally, the average of riders returning after being absent for a number of years should be increased, not reduced because their average was attained when the standard was higher. However, as I have said many times, the most sensible way is to give them an average based on their average in whichever foreign league(s) they have most recently ridden. It would be easy to devise a formula to convert averages for each foreign league to an assessed PL average. That would, overnight, do away with those who come here when relatively inexperienced, don't ride here for a few years, improve significantly and then return on their original low average and cater for those who have not ridden here for a few years but are on a downward spiral in the twilight of their careers and realistically, wouldn't achieve their past PL average. The system you suggest for riders with established averages in Europe is or certainly was already in place. I think it was Peter Oakes who produced the list that BSPA agreed to. As far as historic GSA’s are concerned, anyone with an average from more than two seasons back should be reassessed using the same method as for those coming to UK for the first time. For 2020, that would mean a UK average from 2019 or 2018. Chris Holder or Tai Woffinden, for example, would be caught by this as would the likes of Mikkel Michelsen or Leon Madsen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Eck Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 7 hours ago, stevebrum said: Ridiculous if considered. If so we demand reassessments for Freddie, Tai and Piotr Pawlicki. My view is that there definitely should be reassessments for these three (and many others) but that’s not the same as reductions. Without knowing the precise numbers, my guess is that Tai and Piotr would increase but Freddie may we’ll stay the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 9 hours ago, Aces51 said: The standard of riders in the PL has dropped year on year for many years. Generally, the average of riders returning after being absent for a number of years should be increased, not reduced because their average was attained when the standard was higher. However, as I have said many times, the most sensible way is to give them an average based on their average in whichever foreign league(s) they have most recently ridden. It would be easy to devise a formula to convert averages for each foreign league to an assessed PL average. That would, overnight, do away with those who come here when relatively inexperienced, don't ride here for a few years, improve significantly and then return on their original low average and cater for those who have not ridden here for a few years but are on a downward spiral in the twilight of their careers and realistically, wouldn't achieve their past PL average. If Chris Holder's average is based on his Torun 2019 season, then he should get a SGBP reduction to around 6.00 points!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, Pirates Of Poole said: Their logo didn't last too long, its gone again! so cant see No1 carpet cleaning company being involved at all next year, I have also heard a new company is close to agreeing a deal to become main team sponsors and inject some cash into the club. 1. Not sure MF got all the money owed, so saw out the league season and that was it! 2. ...and one of the existing sponsors too!! Edited October 4, 2019 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: If Chris Holder's average is based on his Torun 2019 season, then he should get a SGBP reduction to around 6.00 points!!!! If that is what a fair and sensible conversion formula produced then that wouldn't be a problem. However, I suspect that such a fair and sensible conversion factor would convert his Torun race average of 1.677 to around a UK 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 (edited) It would take some leg work but you could pretty much bench mark every rider in the world against their peers.. Maybe therefore they should be graded similar to the way Stock Cars do? There are that many variables due to the various leagues they race in that there will always be an anomaly or two if we go down to the 'nth' degree decimal point, yet most fans could link riders of similar ability just by watching them ride frequently, so use the average's they get as a starting point to determine their grade. A three person committee (independent) could decide on any borderline decisions... Edited October 4, 2019 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 If Poole want Harris they can always send Josh G the other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, Bash said: If Poole want Harris they can always send Josh G the other way. not sure how many poole supporters would want bomber another season older Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisa-colette Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 20 minutes ago, Bash said: If Poole want Harris they can always send Josh G the other way. Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisa-colette Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, ray c said: not sure how many poole supporters would want bomber another season older I don't mind having Bomber. At least you know there is no lack of effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 Come on you know Josh G wanted to ride for Ipswich this season judging by his kevlars. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisa-colette Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 Ipswich can have a different Aussie Tbh it's good seeing others wanting Josh in their team. Shows how much he has turned it around, since when he nearly quit half way through last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 59 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: I don't mind having Bomber. At least you know there is no lack of effort. Just ability then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 29 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Ipswich can have a different Aussie Tbh it's good seeing others wanting Josh in their team. Shows how much he has turned it around, since when he nearly quit half way through last season. I think Ipswich done very well to make the play offs when Harris was number one for the vast majority of the season.........shows how well the team was built in my opinion Harris rides Poole well so on a low average it makes sense. And no thanks to two flaky aussies from Poole................ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 1 hour ago, ray c said: not sure how many poole supporters would want bomber another season older I do he would be terrific at a track he loves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 39 minutes ago, phillipsr said: Just ability then No still has plenty to offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, foreverblue said: No still has plenty to offer. not this season been average in both leagues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lisa-colette Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 37 minutes ago, Gavan said: I think Ipswich done very well to make the play offs when Harris was number one for the vast majority of the season.........shows how well the team was built in my opinion Harris rides Poole well so on a low average it makes sense. And no thanks to two flaky aussies from Poole................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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