norbold Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 37 minutes ago, Midland Red said: If Jack Parker qualifies, I did see him ride at Hackney in 1978, so he would creep in at no.7 as he didn’t look that good He did beat Malcolm Simmons though! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 I've beaten Paul Woods, Hughie Saunders, and Peter Tarrant - at darts... Does that count? Sorry gustix, I deviated; you can go back to your books about American boxers now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 15 hours ago, chunky said: Interesting, Parker above Lee? That should provoke some discussion... I thought the discussion might be more on whether I'd actually placed Jack Parker high enough The winner of the sport's premier event in both 1934 and 1947 (including toppling the "unbeatable" Duggan in the '47 final). One of the top riders for a long, long time. Made the Match-Race Championship his own personal property for a number of years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, chunky said: That's good, coming from the individual who not only asked Sidney to name his Top 20 riders of all-time here, but also had the audacity to introduce American boxers into the thread! What are you babbling about now? Can you refresh my memory on this happening please? 25 minutes ago, chunky said: Sorry gustix, I deviated; you can go back to your books about American boxers now... What books about American boxers. I have never been interested to any great extent in the sport. I cannot understand THE POINT you are making! Edited October 5, 2019 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 My mum and dad used to go on about how good Jack Parker was, often referring to how long he was match race champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: My mum and dad used to go on about how good Jack Parker was, often referring to how long he was match race champion. It was just unfortunate that he was at his peak when there was no World Championship. Like Vic Duggan... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, OveFundinFan said: My mum and dad used to go on about how good Jack Parker was, often referring to how long he was match race champion. Right from the very start of my involvement with speedway I was always interested in its history and I read up as much as I could and spoke to many "old timers", who had been going to speedway for years. Based on this, and on my own observations of the then current speedway scene, every now and then I used to produce my own Top 20 greatest riders list, which over the years I did it, which was most of the 1960s, changed every time I did it. However, the Top Four always stayed the same (though the order changed!) and they were Ove Fundin, Vic Duggan, Tom Farndon and Jack Parker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, gustix said: What are you babbling about now? Can you refresh my memory on this happening please? What books about American boxers. I have never been interested to any great extent in the sport. I cannot understand THE POINT you are making! You complained about people deviating from the thread title. However, YOU were the one who wanted to see Sidney's all-time (not British) Top 20 list - on this thread. YOU were the one who brought up the subject of books about American boxers - on this thread. I'm not babbling at all - just pointing out (yet not complaining) that you have been responsible for deviations on this thread - that YOU complained about. You still don't know who I am, or what I do, do you, John? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, chunky said: It was just unfortunate that he was at his peak when there was no World Championship. Like Vic Duggan... A field of great speculation of course, who would have won the War Time championships. Vic Duggan, Jack Parker, Eric Langton, Cordy Milne, Tommy Price, Eric Chitty....all arguably would have been at their peak during that period. Edited October 5, 2019 by norbold 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, chunky said: You complained about people deviating from the thread title. However, YOU were the one who wanted to see Sidney's all-time (not British) Top 20 list - on this thread. YOU were the one who brought up the subject of books about American boxers - on this thread. I'm not babbling at all - just pointing out (yet not complaining) that you have been responsible for deviations on this thread - that YOU complained about. You still don't know who I am, or what I do, do you, John? I don't recall the comment I made to Sidney nor a reference to American boxing books. I have looked back through the many Posts on here and cannot seem to trace them. And correct - I have no idea who you are or what you do. Why should I want to know? TBH I regret ever starting this thread. I could use an ultimate solution - but will refrain from doing so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, gustix said: I don't recall the comment I made to Sidney nor a reference to American boxing books. I have looked back through the many Posts on here and cannot seem to trace them. And correct - I have no idea who you are or what you do. Why should I want to know? TBH I regret ever starting this thread. I could use an ultimate solution - but will refrain from doing so! We went through this a couple of weeks ago! You called me "unco-operative", yet I always try to answer and explain things. You wanted to know what I was talking about, and why I was surprised you couldn't call me by my name - when others knew me - and I regularly posted my name. I explained, but you missed it. You wanted to know why I was upset at an ignorant comment about my profession. I explained, yet you missed it. We have had several off-forum conversations, both on here and on Facebook, but you can't remember them. You complain about others deviating on this thread, yet you did it yourself - twice. I draw your attention to them, but you can't find them. I make a light-hearted response to your comment, but you were offended. Then, you say you regret starting this thread. Why? It is a great thread! Several of us have had a fascinating discussion, but because everything goes above your head, you come back with crap like you did. Why, John? Just try to stay on the same page as the rest of us... Edited October 5, 2019 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 1 hour ago, gustix said: I don't recall the comment I made to Sidney nor a reference to American boxing books. I have looked back through the many Posts on here and cannot seem to trace them. And correct - I have no idea who you are or what you do. Why should I want to know? TBH I regret ever starting this thread. I could use an ultimate solution - but will refrain from doing so! Try the 10th comment on the first page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 1 hour ago, norbold said: A field of great speculation of course, who would have won the War Time championships. Vic Duggan, Jack Parker, Eric Langton, Cordy Milne, Tommy Price, Eric Chitty....all arguably would have been at their peak during that period. The one I think could really have made an impact was Cordy Milne, as he really seemed to be approaching his peak. He could certainly have eclipsed the achievements of his brother. Yep, all conjecture now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 1 hour ago, norbold said: Try the 10th comment on the first page. Yes. I found the comment. It was a reference to the fact that while books relating to American boxers were available in my local branches of WHS it was a problem buying a copy of Tai Woffinden's book in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, gustix said: Yes. I found the comment. It was a reference to the fact that while books relating to American boxers were available in my local branches of WHS it was a problem buying a copy of Tai Woffinden's book in them. We don't need a complete breakdown of things, John. It's just frustrating when you only see half the stuff that's posted, complain about people deviating when you are doing it yourself (and again, I didn't "complain"), and then don't realise what you have done... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 10 minutes ago, gustix said: Yes. I found the comment. It was a reference to the fact that while books relating to American boxers were available in my local branches of WHS it was a problem buying a copy of Tai Woffinden's book in them. 2 minutes ago, chunky said: We don't need a complete breakdown of things, John. It's just frustrating when you only see half the stuff that's posted, complain about people deviating when you are doing it yourself (and again, I didn't "complain"), and then don't realise what you have done... I mentioned Tai Woffinden's book earlier because he is among the British world champions listed in the Opening Post to this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, gustix said: I mentioned Tai Woffinden's book earlier because he is among the British world champions listed in the Opening Post to this thread. This is exactly what I mean, John... You don't need to explain why you mentioned Tai's book! I wasn't referring to Tai's book! I was referring to your comment about American boxers, and again, we didn't need any explanation as I wasn't actually "complaining".. You try to offer unnecessary explanations on parts of a comment that we weren't even referring to, and don't need explanations. Still, you don't understand why I objected to your negative comment about my profession, do you? Edited October 5, 2019 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 (edited) On 9/28/2019 at 4:42 PM, gustix said: Britain has had eight speedway world champions. This is how I rate them: (1) Peter Craven (2) Fred Williams (3) Tommy Price (4) Tai Woffinden (5) Peter Collins (6) Michael Lee (7) Mark Loram (8) Gary Havelock Based on the mainly interesting comments in relation to the quoted OP list I presented, in what order would the riders as I nominated them now be placed? Edited October 5, 2019 by Guest spelling error Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 1 hour ago, gustix said: Based on the mainly interesting comments in relation to the quoted OP list I presented, in what order would the riders as I nominated them now be placed? People have posted their lists... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2019 Report Share Posted October 5, 2019 1 hour ago, gustix said: Based on the mainly interesting comments in relation to the quoted OP list I presented, in what order would the riders as I nominated them now be placed? 29 minutes ago, chunky said: People have posted their lists... I was looking for a composite overall list on a 'vote system' based on an eight for a top place down to one for an eighth rated rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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