Peterborough Panthers 2020

[Mimmo]

19 minutes ago, NeilWatson said:

If pedestrians are using Gate 15 it’s simple to achieve complete segregation. Gate 3 pedestrian access is more awkward and would require a different disabled parking area allocated to the north end of the Grandstand and careful marshalling at the exit.

Cars and pedestrians can’t mix for H&S reasons? At supermarkets for example the blue badge spaces are always near the store entrance and require one to drive through the main car park (and hence the flow of pedestrians) to access them. I’ve not hit a pedestrian yet!

Neither have the many non blue badge holders that park in those spaces Neil, including building contractors and council vans that I  have seen recently!!!  

[Crump99]

3 hours ago, mikebv said:

Unfortunately the H+S laws dont make safety allowances for certain differences around each individual venue..

It will be solely based on 'risk assessment' with control measures then listed to be used, and followed, to reduce that risk and provide a safe environment..

If it's deemed having pedestrians at risk by being in a designated vehicle movement area, then there will have to be restrictions to reduce that risk..

As there will be if any pedestrian right of way is possibly impacted by moving vehicles..

It could only take one serious accident to close the facility down if proven they didn't follow the risk assessments and the owners could face criminal charges,..

Not to mention the possibly devastating impact to the person and family concerned.

Sadly when it has an emotional impact, rather than just a functional one, you can very easily, and understandably, feel extremely aggrieved, even though those implementing the rules have no choice and are not targeting you personally..

Unfortunately, sometimes you simply cannot 'win' and, willingly or not, have to accept its the way it is..

 

 

They are targeting a group in the same fashion as has happened intermittently over 15 years so the outcome of that was clear enough. The attention is in the detail of what new restrictions have popped up and what will access really be limited to in future. You cannot always win that's true but it always seems to be those who probably can't help themselves who pay the price. If nobody fights the apparent unwinnable battles then nothing will ever change, even though as you say, often that's the way it is irrespective.

[wealdstone]

I have an E Mail from EOES which tells me this decision comes entirely from Speedway and in no way has anything to do with them. Hang your heads in shame Mr Chapman and others.

[racers and royals]

5 minutes ago, wealdstone said:

I have an E Mail from EOES which tells me this decision comes entirely from Speedway and in no way has anything to do with them. Hang your heads in shame Mr Chapman and others.

Peterborough Speedway need to justify this decision ASAP in my view. Messrs Chapman, Pratt and Johnson along with Health and safety officer Chris Emms(possibly) must have made the decision.

[Panthers99]

10 minutes ago, wealdstone said:

I have an E Mail from EOES which tells me this decision comes entirely from Speedway and in no way has anything to do with them. Hang your heads in shame Mr Chapman and others.

Nothing would surprise me

[wealdstone]

This is what E Mail from Jason Lunn  says

 

"We as a venue have issued no such edict.Speedway plan their own parking so I would speak to them regarding this"

 

I have asked Management for their comments.

Edited January 21, 2020 by wealdstone

[SPEEDY69]

4 hours ago, mikebv said:

Yes they have, and it always struck me as strange that in this H+S litigious world cars and people could use pretty much the same strip of land..

Especially given both tracks had almost 'grass tracks' which the cars followed and no designated separate walkways adjacent..

 

Isn't that the case for every single car park?  It's not H&S in my view but an issue of being sued after an accident or reducing insurance costs/liability

Edited January 21, 2020 by SPEEDY69

[wealdstone]

Clearly a misunderstanding between  Speedway and EOES. Now we know the showground don't mind  there is no reason why we can not revert to previous arrangement.

[proud panther]

57 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

Peterborough Speedway need to justify this decision ASAP in my view. Messrs Chapman, Pratt and Johnson along with Health and safety officer Chris Emms(possibly) must have made the decision.

The most likely reason for this rule, is because Chapman is worried somebody might get in the stadium without paying.

[Crump99]

44 minutes ago, wealdstone said:

Clearly a misunderstanding between  Speedway and EOES. Now we know the showground don't mind  there is no reason why we can not revert to previous arrangement.

Nicely put. I couldn't see a way out but that would do it.

[Call me wolfie]

The official statement says it puts them in line with other events at the Showground, the trouble is most other events held there aren't static therefore people who can't walk far will likely have wheelchairs or scooters etc. 

[martinmauger]

I'm told that some Blue Badge holders are able to take their nominated carer into an event (show, zoo, concert, etc) at 50% of entry or even free of charge, though apparently this is at the discretion of the venue.  While I understand this may be a concern, we are just looking at tracks within 2 - 2 1/2 hours driving time and where we can hopefully park as close to the entrance as possible.  Admittedly not visted Peterborough for few years, mid 2000's I think, and the car park was fair trek from the entrance / turnstile, bit of a faff ordinarily but likely too for for people with walking difficulties.....

[Crump99]

4 hours ago, martinmauger said:

I'm told that some Blue Badge holders are able to take their nominated carer into an event (show, zoo, concert, etc) at 50% of entry or even free of charge, though apparently this is at the discretion of the venue.  While I understand this may be a concern, we are just looking at tracks within 2 - 2 1/2 hours driving time and where we can hopefully park as close to the entrance as possible.  Admittedly not visted Peterborough for few years, mid 2000's I think, and the car park was fair trek from the entrance / turnstile, bit of a faff ordinarily but likely too for for people with walking difficulties.....

I'm not aware of the carer facility in operation at Panthers, and to be fair to them I don't think that it ever has. I know what you mean though because those receiving DLA/PIP can get a carer in free of charge at Posh where it is in operation but they get 7 to10x more fans and receipts. If you have a Blue Badge then that would potentially get you close to the turnstile under the proposed new system. It's then a fair trek to the circuit with a similar trek on the way out. Probably not a pleasant experience but as a one off you might cope or consider even that too much depending on the level and type of disability.?

Edited January 21, 2020 by Crump99

[scoobydoo]

Its much safer for all concerned getting in and out of the showground than the stadium at Lynn were especially after speedway or stock car meetings its dodge the traffic leaving the car park and the approach road to the stadium,  seems strange if true that Buster and co would implement this just at the showground but not at his beloved AFA which must surely also adhere to H&S issues as well ,  

Edited January 21, 2020 by scoobydoo

[Crump99]

7 hours ago, Call me wolfie said:

The official statement says it puts them in line with other events at the Showground, the trouble is most other events held there aren't static therefore people who can't walk far will likely have wheelchairs or scooters etc. 

It's only in line because they've introduced the standard practice for events generally that take place at the showground with parking areas close to entrances, so that is true. The missing bit is that the specific event organisers apparently have some control over how they deal with their event parking and the club have made conscious decision to exclude stadium access to their disabled fans under the umbrella of health and safety restrictions that allegedly only they are aware of.

[NeilWatson]

10 hours ago, Crump99 said:

I'm not aware of the carer facility in operation at Panthers, and to be fair to them I don't think that it ever has. I know what you mean though because those receiving DLA/PIP can get a carer in free of charge at Posh where it is in operation but they get 7 to10x more fans and receipts. If you have a Blue Badge then that would potentially get you close to the turnstile under the proposed new system. It's then a fair trek to the circuit with a similar trek on the way out. Probably not a pleasant experience but as a one off you might cope or consider even that too much depending on the level and type of disability.?

Every season I was involved at Peterborough free carer admission was available on request.

[wealdstone]

1 hour ago, NeilWatson said:

Every season I was involved at Peterborough free carer admission was available on request.

Must say I have never come across  this  but of course genuine carers are a different matter than spouses who accompany their wives or husband. Think I was referred  to once as a carer at Rye House but quite rightly I had to pay.

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[Crump99]

1 minute ago, wealdstone said:

Must say I have never come across  this  but of course genuine carers are a different matter than spouses who accompany their wives or husband. Think I was referred  to once as a carer at Rye House but quite rightly I had to pay.

I wasn't aware of it and never saw it publicised, so great if it was an option for those affected even if it was a case of if you don't ask you don't get, current situation accepted of course! It's good that you feel the need to pay and not see it as a freebie and hopefully others do likewise but some disabled people will take carers who have little interest in the event and also have to be available for the duration so paying on top of that isn't always appropriate.

[NeilWatson]

27 minutes ago, wealdstone said:

Must say I have never come across  this  but of course genuine carers are a different matter than spouses who accompany their wives or husband. Think I was referred  to once as a carer at Rye House but quite rightly I had to pay.

 

13 minutes ago, Crump99 said:

I wasn't aware of it and never saw it publicised, so great if it was an option for those affected even if it was a case of if you don't ask you don't get, current situation accepted of course! It's good that you feel the need to pay and not see it as a freebie and hopefully others do likewise but some disabled people will take carers who have little interest in the event and also have to be available for the duration so paying on top of that isn't always appropriate.

You each make good points. The free carer facility was to help people who simply could not attend without a companion (for example a wheelchair pusher) - that companion may well not have any interest in speedway. It wasn't for a wife who was an ardent fan simply travelling with her disabled husband (also a fan). That is why it was on request and not advertised, but if I was contacted and asked if such a policy existed, and was given an explanation why it was needed I would never refuse.

 

Edited January 22, 2020 by NeilWatson

[Octoberon]

As the fixture lists are to be released tomorrow one would hope that Peterborough would be in a position to make a further team announcement. Presumably they have prior knowledge in any case which would have been discussed with any potentional 'superstar' as to suitability of dates etc. Personally I think that relying on and building the team around one rider is a bad thing. Especially when such rider is so busy that we need to wait so long to see whether he can 'fit us in'. What happens if said rider gets injured... no No.1 and use of R/R for half a season again. I know this can happen to any rider but 'eggs and basket' does come to mind. This whole team building affair should have been sorted ages ago!