SPEEDY69 Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, foreverblue said: Yes true, He isn't exactly Joe Widescreen! Or Martin Doughgard, Graham Stones etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, foreverblue said: Yes true, He isn't exactly Joe Widescreen!tastles Indeed, but Joe Screen was never as good when he came off the pies and cut the tastles of his race suit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 11 hours ago, acef said: I think Scott is overweight (for a speedway rider) He needs a track where he can still get paid and by that I mean a track where technical ability means more than speed, because he isn’t quick enough anymore on the bigger tracks. Why Wolves didn’t jump on him is beyond me. Put a lot of faith into Nichol and I don’t like that when it’s at the expense of a long serving and well respected British rider. He's brawny and certainly has more timber these days, compared to the flat-race jockeys like Tungate who can just hang off the bike. If he moved to the USA, Scott Nicholls could go on riding and winning for many a year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 11 hours ago, acef said: Why Wolves didn’t jump on him is beyond me. Put a lot of faith into Nichol and I don’t like that when it’s at the expense of a long serving and well respected British rider. I take it you are equally appalled that Belle Vue are using Lidsey when they could have used Nicholls and a 3 pointer at reserve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 31 minutes ago, stevebrum said: I take it you are equally appalled that Belle Vue are using Lidsey when they could have used Nicholls and a 3 pointer at reserve? I only have an issue with it based upon the fact that wolves have built 2 points under the limit. They didn’t have to do that. BV did not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 34 minutes ago, stevebrum said: I take it you are equally appalled that Belle Vue are using Lidsey when they could have used Nicholls and a 3 pointer at reserve? Nicholls isn't great at Belle Vue, he hates it but Monmore suits him, I would think that is the point plus Wolves could have had Nicholls without changing more than one rider in the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, foreverblue said: Nicholls isn't great at Belle Vue, he hates it but Monmore suits him, I would think that is the point plus Wolves could have had Nicholls without changing more than one rider in the team. It would have been a straight forward situation. Nichols instead of Broc. They would have been up to the limit that way with a track specialist to boot. Instead they’ve opted for an untested young rider and gone under the building limit. It makes no sense to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) If I remember, Broc had far more than one choice when he was signed by Wolves who looked at a long term plan with him. Bet he wishes he'd gone elsewhere now with some wanting him changed before the season starts. I know it wasn't in the Premiership, but at Eastie last season he looked to be star in the making, certainly on a similar pace to Richard Lawson at our notoriously tricky track from his first visit. As has been said being 2 points under leaves a possible window for a change or 2 ,but I really would start with him and think you will. (Sorry should be on the Wolves thread really) Edited January 14, 2020 by gazzac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 55 minutes ago, acef said: I only have an issue with it based upon the fact that wolves have built 2 points under the limit. They didn’t have to do that. BV did not. You made the point that a ‘long serving and well respected British rider’ has been left out at the expense of another rider. To be honest that point really is immaterial right now because we don’t even know if Scott has been left out of a top flight place. The bigger picture is that Belle Vue are investing in Lidsey as a long term prospect. It appears that Wolves are doing the same with Becker and Nicol. In that case there is no difference whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 55 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Nicholls isn't great at Belle Vue, he hates it but Monmore suits him, I would think that is the point plus Wolves could have had Nicholls without changing more than one rider in the team. It’s irrelevant. The point being made is that Scott May be out of a top flight team because of clubs signing foreign riders. Good on the likes of Belle Vue and Wolves for looking to the future. I also hope Scott has a team place in the top flight. He deserves one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 52 minutes ago, stevebrum said: You made the point that a ‘long serving and well respected British rider’ has been left out at the expense of another rider. To be honest that point really is immaterial right now because we don’t even know if Scott has been left out of a top flight place. The bigger picture is that Belle Vue are investing in Lidsey as a long term prospect. It appears that Wolves are doing the same with Becker and Nicol. In that case there is no difference whatsoever. At the end of the day, Wolves are 2 points below the limit. No other team have done that. Had you signed Scott, you’d have been up to the limit allowed for team building purposes. My argument is that nobody else has been in a position to fit him in as it currently stands, all completed teams are up to the points limit. Perhaps I should have worded the first post a little different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, geoff58 said: nicholls can't ride NSS he even admits that himself so why would we sign him on whatever average ??? Correct. Wolves had a Scott Nichols sized spot available. Whats even more perplexing is that would have been a really good signing (for Wolves) on that average. Instead they’ve opted for youth and gone in under the limit. Very odd. Edited January 14, 2020 by acef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 37 minutes ago, geoff58 said: nicholls can't ride NSS he even admits that himself so why would we sign him on whatever average ??? Not his strongest track results wise but hasn't been too bad in the British Finals there - in 2018 he beat Bewley, was the only rider to lead Lambert beyond the first bend and I think also led Cook for 3 & 3/4 laps, just missing out on a top two place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 The only reason I can think of is that they wanted to include Douglas and Nicol so nobody else could and so they can bed them in for years to come. No matter who the number one ended up being I think they wanted the other six regardless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosty Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 hours ago, acef said: At the end of the day, Wolves are 2 points below the limit. No other team have done that. Had you signed Scott, you’d have been up to the limit allowed for team building purposes. My argument is that nobody else has been in a position to fit him in as it currently stands, all completed teams are up to the points limit. Perhaps I should have worded the first post a little different. I would suggest the team Wolves are starting the 2020 season is not the one originally planned simples......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 Still waiting on NKI maybe ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 19 minutes ago, Blupanther said: Still waiting on NKI maybe ... More like won’t pay enough so no bucker will sign 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMessiahOfTheBSF Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 38 minutes ago, Blupanther said: Still waiting on NKI maybe ... Yep. Nobody can be signed until the management have been given a final decision by NKI. Panthers fans need to be patient instead of worrying. Buster and co aren't struggling to build a team they just have to wait for NKI. Buster is working with NKI and they are more than likelt waiting for the finalised fixture list before a final decision is given by NKI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren2 Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 Credit where it’s due they have communicated. Like has been said before because it is an averages game, 1 signing or not signing can be dependant on 2/3 others. Always 2 sides to every coin also so if £ is an issue then A rider could have the view that if you don’t sign me who are you going to get. Panthers will feel that if a rider wants to do a full season in the UK then Panthers are the only option left, except for Ipswich number 1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 14, 2020 Report Share Posted January 14, 2020 4 hours ago, acef said: At the end of the day, Wolves are 2 points below the limit. No other team have done that. Had you signed Scott, you’d have been up to the limit allowed for team building purposes. My argument is that nobody else has been in a position to fit him in as it currently stands, all completed teams are up to the points limit. Perhaps I should have worded the first post a little different. Yep, no argument from me on that one. 4 hours ago, acef said: Correct. Wolves had a Scott Nichols sized spot available. Whats even more perplexing is that would have been a really good signing (for Wolves) on that average. Instead they’ve opted for youth and gone in under the limit. Very odd. I don’t think you will find many Wolves fans who were surprised we signed Nicol and not Nicholls. Just perhaps Wolves are looking to the future and also maybe being savvy with this ongoing widening of the points conversion that we could possibly keep the same 1-7 next season. Looking at other teams number 7s Nicol is a stand out so I fully expect him to add to his starting average. And let’s face it if he achieves anything close to 5 he will be pretty close to replicating the rider he is replacing! (In Howarth). So maybe not as weak as some think. But like you say, using Nicol instead of Nicholls is odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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