Warren2 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, Gasser90 said: Think it will be at the end of this week if the tweet is correct, I read it earlier and I think it said news later this week Better news, thanks for the info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Just now, foreverblue said: He is in decline, he will never repeat his Cardifff or Coventry heroics but on his current average he is a absolute steal. He'd be a 2nd I'd think so it's a no brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Blue Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, Gasser90 said: Think it will be at the end of this week if the tweet is correct, I read it earlier and I think it said news later this week I read it as later this week ...... Now back to the Wolverhampton averages debate !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dodger Blue said: I read it as later this week ...... Now back to the Wolverhampton averages debate !! I came on this thread to discuss Sheffield. I wish people would stick to topics 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren2 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, Dodger Blue said: I read it as later this week ...... Now back to the Wolverhampton averages debate !! Please no haha, cannot take it anymore. I get people have freedom to discuss whatever but I thought the idea of topics was to stay on that topic. 2020 Peterborough Panthers, can the team improve? Well if they finish 6th they have, the only way is up.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMessiahOfTheBSF Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, Warren2 said: Please no haha, cannot take it anymore. I get people have freedom to discuss whatever but I thought the idea of topics was to stay on that topic. 2020 Peterborough Panthers, can the team improve? Well if they finish 6th they have, the only way is up.... We can finish in the top 4 no problem. 3rd or 4th should be the target with the rumoured 1-7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMessiahOfTheBSF Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 49 minutes ago, acef said: Theoretical, yes. I haven't looked at his average over the last few years but I'd imagine the numbers will back it up. Using SteveBrum's logic this tells you Harris isn't on the decline and he's just had one bad season. However being realistic. Harris is on the decline despite the averages saying 3 years of improvement. Which is why I haven't brought into stevebrum's argument about one bad season. 2019 - 6.16 2018 - 7.78 2017 - 7.63 2016 - 6.58 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMessiahOfTheBSF Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Warren2 said: I am pretty sure I clicked on the Peterborough Panthers 2020 Thread.... Next rider announcement sounds like it will be Xmas Eve, will it be another ‘New’ signing or a returning rider from 2019? Hans probably. Nice Christmas gift that would please the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Rockstar99 said: Using SteveBrum's logic this tells you Harris isn't on the decline and he's just had one bad season. However being realistic. Harris is on the decline despite the averages saying 3 years of improvement. Which is why I haven't brought into stevebrum's argument about one bad season. 2019 - 6.16 2018 - 7.78 2017 - 7.63 2016 - 6.58 That's quite a big drop off last season sir! The stats show he is most certainly on the decline and it started last season. Edited December 17, 2019 by acef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMessiahOfTheBSF Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, acef said: That's quite a big drop off last season sir! The stats show he is most certainly on the decline and it started last season. He is on the decline I agree. At the same time Masters hasn't improved as a Speedway rider. Which is the point I'm making to stevebrum when he say's apart from this year Masters has improved as a Speedway rider every year until 2019 because as I've now shown Harris has also improved as a speedway rider every year until 2019 using stevebrum's logic. Averages don't tell the full story. Harris has been on the decline for a few years and Masters is no better off now than he was 4 years ago even though he quit one league to try and improve as a speedway rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, Rockstar99 said: He is on the decline I agree. At the same time Masters hasn't improved as a Speedway rider. Which is the point I'm making to stevebrum when he say's apart from this year Masters has improved as a Speedway rider every year until 2019 because as I've now shown Harris has also improved as a speedway rider every year until 2019 using stevebrum's logic. Averages don't tell the full story. Harris has been on the decline for a few years and Masters is no better off now than he was 4 years ago even though he quit one league to try and improve as a speedway rider. Chris wasn't on the decline in 2017 and 2018, he was a heatleader in those seasons and improved on his 2016 figure. I don't agree that bomber has been on the decline for a few seasons, the numbers say that started last season and this season he will likely be a 2nd string as a consequence. We agree he is on the decline, however we clearly disagree as to when that actually started. The numbers say last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 45 minutes ago, acef said: That's quite a big drop off last season sir! The stats show he is most certainly on the decline and it started last season. What must be considered when assessing Harris is that his home track last season was Ipswich, a track he is well known to hate so a move to Peterborough, a track he is known to like will make a huge difference. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedway fan Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 and he rode most of season with a bad wrist injury which he has had an operation on last week 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Rockstar99 said: Using SteveBrum's logic this tells you Harris isn't on the decline and he's just had one bad season. However being realistic. Harris is on the decline despite the averages saying 3 years of improvement. Which is why I haven't brought into stevebrum's argument about one bad season. 2019 - 6.16 2018 - 7.78 2017 - 7.63 2016 - 6.58 2 hours ago, acef said: That's quite a big drop off last season sir! The stats show he is most certainly on the decline and it started last season. 1 hour ago, foreverblue said: What must be considered when assessing Harris is that his home track last season was Ipswich, a track he is well known to hate so a move to Peterborough, a track he is known to like will make a huge difference. Foreverblue is spot on Bombers Foxhall average was around 5.5 and away around 7. Had he been comfortable at home and averaged 8 as he should/would elsewhere then the average stays in the 7.5 bracket That would be consistent with the previous 2 years and still firmly in the No1 category in this league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 6 hours ago, Rockstar99 said: Stats don't lie Steve. Both of them are virtually no better off than they were 4 years ago and that's in a league that gets weaker with every passing year. As averages have proved stats don’t lie. Masters 3 out of 4 seasons improved. Thorssell 2 out of 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMessiahOfTheBSF Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, stevebrum said: As averages have proved stats don’t lie. Masters 3 out of 4 seasons improved. Thorssell 2 out of 4. And they're both virtually back at square one after 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 On 12/16/2019 at 10:55 AM, Rockstar99 said: Look at Ipswich last year. They didn't have a No.1 but still made the Grand Final. Solid 1-7 with strong reserves. This league is pish poor. We really don't need a No.1 to be competitive. As for the teams mentioned above. I only rate Swindon's 1-7. Both Belle Vue and Sheffield are way overrated imo. Belle Vue - No.1 is a proven choke artist who could never get the job done for the Pirates, No.5 Killer is back in the UK because he's failed abroad. S. Worrall never improved. Very average 1-7 imo. Sheffield - Nicki P was poor the last time he rode in the UK, Two reserves who aren't good enough to ride in this league, Howarth & Lawson who have never improved. Solid at home but will struggle big time on the road imo. Then look at other possible sides - How many years have Masters & Thorssell failed to improve at Wolves. Klindt at No.1 for the Witches unless things change so a solid 1-7 being built again, King's Lynn same crap that's been failing for years in the engine room whilst one possible reserve that already flopped in the Championship against much weaker opposition. With Peterborough - Hans, Nicholls, Bomber and BWD can all improve there starting GSA's whilst Tungate, MPT & Bech can at least maintain there's. I see no reason why we couldn't finish 3rd or 4th with Phil The Aces' 1-7 The Nicki P comment made me smile, that was 2011, a lot of water has gone under the bridge since then. For the record Nicki averaged 8.61, in far stronger league than this season. And also for the record last season in weaker league than 2011 only 3 riders averaged more than 8.61. Doyle 8.96 Batchelor 8.82 Fricke 8.81 And Fricke isn't riding in the league next season. I have to say I admire your optimism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, Rockstar99 said: And they're both virtually back at square one after 4 years. Jacob has had 2 ruined seasons with injury. Masters went backwards this year but still forward on 4 years ago. So it’s fair to suggest both still improved after 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMessiahOfTheBSF Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Just now, stevebrum said: Jacob has had 2 ruined seasons with injury. Masters went backwards this year but still forward on 4 years ago. So it’s fair to suggest both still improved after 4 years. Have to agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Rockstar99 said: Have to agree to disagree. Happy to disagree, thankfully averages back up my claims. Edited December 17, 2019 by stevebrum Added detail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.