Peterborough Panthers 2020

[TheMessiahOfTheBSF]

24 minutes ago, moorelsm said:

We're just going to have to disagree, I can only comment on what I've seen at Peterborough and on the Telly... B Kurtz, Killer, Wright and Bewley.. 4 heat leaders the worst being Wright! Sheffield, Pedersen, Holder, Josh G backed by Howarth and Lawson... up against Tungate MPT Harris Hans and Bech... at the Showground. Tungate would at least compete if he gates, can't comment about Bech but the others need to be able to come from behind.... which as I've said doesn't happen anymore. Then theres Swindon with 3 different class heat leaders.. Ipswich will come with Heeps, Allen, King and whoever. Last season the wins we did see were really close affairs, I can't see this team getting close at all.

Come June I won't be the only one not going anymore, and I've probably missed 5 home meetings in the last 10years.

Yesterday I was angry, today just depressed.

Thing is you have to judge them team as a collective group and not just the HL's.

What we're losing in the HL department we more than make up for with the second strings. We would have a team full of second strings and no reserves. But all second strings capable of scoring 6 points a meeting which would mean a league point in every meeting. 

[Baldyman]

2 minutes ago, Rockstar99 said:

Thing is you have to judge them team as a collective group and not just the HL's.

What we're losing in the HL department we more than make up for with the second strings. We would have a team full of second strings and no reserves. But all second strings capable of scoring 6 points a meeting which would mean a league point in every meeting. 

Surely you would lose all your home ones with 42 points 

[TheMessiahOfTheBSF]

11 minutes ago, Baldyman said:

Surely you would lose all your home ones with 42 points 

Away from home

At home that team would win the vast majority of meetings tbh.

[cambpanther]

38 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said:

Seems two spots are up for grabs but If I were the Boro promotion I would be looking to go for something like this

1. Bjerre

2. Barker

3. Tungate

4. Andersen

5. Iversen

6. Garrity

7. Ostergaard

Garrity and Barker

NO THANKS

[Falcon1983]

Just now, cambpanther said:

Garrity and Barker

NO THANKS

you would if you can guarantee their machinery is on point

[Noodles]

51 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said:

Seems two spots are up for grabs but If I were the Boro promotion I would be looking to go for something like this

1. Bjerre

2. Barker

3. Tungate

4. Andersen

5. Iversen

6. Garrity

7. Ostergaard

 

3 hours ago, Falcon1983 said:

I can confirm that there are 5 riders on that list that are correct

You say you can confirm 5 are correct - then only include 2 of them in your team.

You've also forgotten MPT has been confirmed.

[Noodles]

16 minutes ago, Falcon1983 said:

you would if you can guarantee their machinery is on point

I presume their machinery is already on point, it's barely been used.

[tellboy]

58 minutes ago, Noodles said:

 

You say you can confirm 5 are correct - then only include 2 of them in your team.

You've also forgotten MPT has been confirmed.

Nice work Mr Holmes

[stevebrum]

5 hours ago, Rockstar99 said:

You say Masters has kicked on. 2014, 2015, 2016 & 2017 he rode for the Edinburgh Monarchs in the second tier of British Speedway. 

In 2018 Sam Masters quit the second tier of British Speedway to try his luck abroad. 

In late 2019 and now signed up for 2020 Sam Masters is back at square one. 

Tried his luck abroad like Craig Cook. Realised he wasn't good enough so has to settle for the easy money in the Championship. 

Yet again, quoting irrelevant points.

The facts are in the PL he improved every season on the trot until this season.

Whether he is a better rider overall is a very different argument. 

The fact you mentioned he hasn’t improved for WOLVES is completely wrong. Backed up by averages. 

Masters seems to have plateaued in his career and wether he can kick on again is a very different debate too. 

[Carpman]

Problem is that one of them couldn't be arsed to get in his van and drive to meetings last year

[TheMessiahOfTheBSF]

1 hour ago, stevebrum said:

Yet again, quoting irrelevant points.

The facts are in the PL he improved every season on the trot until this season.

Whether he is a better rider overall is a very different argument. 

The fact you mentioned he hasn’t improved for WOLVES is completely wrong. Backed up by averages. 

Masters seems to have plateaued in his career and wether he can kick on again is a very different debate too. 

Forget about one good season let's look at the final GSA's over a 4 year period. 

Masters increased from 7.18 to 7.35 = Virtually no improvement.

Thorssell increased from 7.06 to 7.33 = Virtually no improvement.

The two Wolves boys over a four year period have seen a combined + 0.44 not even half a point. They were on low 7 point averages four years ago and they are still on low 7 point averages four years later so where is the legit improvement because +0.44 combined is nothing. 

 

Masters

2019 - 7.35

2018 - 8.11

2017 - 7.92 

2016 - 7.18

 

Thorssell 

2019 - 7.33

2018 - 7.25

2017 - 8.64

2016 - 7.06

 

[Falcon1983]

3 hours ago, Noodles said:

 

You say you can confirm 5 are correct - then only include 2 of them in your team.

You've also forgotten MPT has been confirmed.

It clearly says if I was part of the promotion that is the type of side I'd build.  

[szkocjasid]

Seeing Barker & Bjerre mentioned as possibles, there's no point in signing them on their current Prem aves (Lasse Bjerre 5.92) & (Ben Barker 5.28) if they are wanted wait till they get a new ave in the Champ in April or May as their converted ave would be much lower (Barker 7.24 / 1.6 = 4.53) & (Bjerre 5.87 / 1.6 = minimum 4.00)!

Edited December 16, 2019 by szkocjasid

[stevebrum]

32 minutes ago, Rockstar99 said:

Forget about one good season let's look at the final GSA's over a 4 year period. 

Masters increased from 7.18 to 7.35 = Virtually no improvement.

Thorssell increased from 7.06 to 7.33 = Virtually no improvement.

The two Wolves boys over a four year period have seen a combined + 0.44 not even half a point. They were on low 7 point averages four years ago and they are still on low 7 point averages four years later so where is the legit improvement because +0.44 combined is nothing. 

 

Masters

2019 - 7.35

2018 - 8.11

2017 - 7.92 

2016 - 7.18

 

Thorssell 

2019 - 7.33

2018 - 7.25

2017 - 8.64

2016 - 7.06

 

Clearly the average over 4 years has increased for both so this no improvement statement is still false.

Dress it up all you want, Masters improved year on year for 3 straight seasons, but not this. 

It’s hard for anyone to argue different. Jacob as previously pointed out hasn’t improved in 2 seasons (from his average of 2017).

[bigcatdiary]

4 hours ago, Falcon1983 said:

you would if you can guarantee their machinery is on point

Garrity struggles to even get to matches

[Pinny]

1 hour ago, stevebrum said:

Clearly the average over 4 years has increased for both so this no improvement statement is still false.

Dress it up all you want, Masters improved year on year for 3 straight seasons, but not this. 

It’s hard for anyone to argue different. Jacob as previously pointed out hasn’t improved in 2 seasons (from his average of 2017).

Neither has improved at all over four years , the very slight average increase is cancelled out by the league being weaker now than 4 years ago. 

[acef]

3 hours ago, Pinny said:

Neither has improved at all over four years , the very slight average increase is cancelled out by the league being weaker now than 4 years ago. 

Says who? You?

I'm pretty sure that's just a matter of opinion.

You can't argue with statistics like Steve has posted. They are not subjective. Whatever the circumstances, however small the margin, they have increased there averages.

That is simple mathematics and not something one could argue against.

[Pinny]

Yeah. Says me. 
 

masters average according to Brum has gone up 0.17 since four years ago. Thorsell 0.27 in four years.

tell me, in a league getting weaker by the year, how the hell have either of them improved????

[arnieg]

11 hours ago, stevebrum said:

Clearly the average over 4 years has increased for both so this no improvement statement is still false.

Dress it up all you want, Masters improved year on year for 3 straight seasons, but not this. 

It’s hard for anyone to argue different. Jacob as previously pointed out hasn’t improved in 2 seasons (from his average of 2017).

Thorssell has not improved over the last four seasons if you look at his Swedish average in the Elitserien:

2016: 1.611 ( per ride = 6.44 CMA)

2017: 1.438

2018: 1.270

2019: 1.396

Taken together the two sets of figures strongly suggest a rider who has plateaued 

[DC2]

6 hours ago, acef said:

Says who? You?

I'm pretty sure that's just a matter of opinion.

You can't argue with statistics like Steve has posted. They are not subjective. Whatever the circumstances, however small the margin, they have increased there averages.

That is simple mathematics and not something one could argue against.

 

To be fair, he’s right. You can’t look at averages in isolation.

You do have to take into account the strength of the league and even riding order in the team.