BluPanther Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 46 minutes ago, acef said: No. I sound like a reasoned, logical human being who has the foresight to understand that perhaps not everything is in the public domain because it isn't yet ready to be. You and others ARE making assumptions because you don't yet know what the planning and detail is to find a solution here. You are assuming that this isn't being dealt with. That people couldn't possibly be working in the background trying to find an answer and haven't released anything because it isn't yet ready to do so. That's also an assumption on your part ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMessiahOfTheBSF Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 Hopefully Buster announces a signing earlier next week so all the moaning can stop on this thread. NKI must have made his decision by now after the fixture list was released. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maneacat Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 57 minutes ago, acef said: No. I sound like a reasoned, logical human being who has the foresight to understand that perhaps not everything is in the public domain because it isn't yet ready to be. You and others ARE making assumptions because you don't yet know what the planning and detail is to find a solution here. You are assuming that this isn't being dealt with. That people couldn't possibly be working in the background trying to find an answer and haven't released anything because it isn't yet ready to do so. No you sound like a very lucky fan who has a professional and competent promotion of the club you follow. Unless you are aPanthers fan you cannot fully understand all the problems that have befallen theClub and our fans over the past 12 months. It has been heartbreaking to witness and there seems to be no end to the disillusionment we are sadly continuing to endure. From your position it’s very easy to criticise - especially people you don’t know but I can assure you they are not moaning for moaning’s sake - they are genuinely and quite rightly worried about the stance our Promotion are taking against the disabled as we have previous experience of their lack of open communication with fans - Kings Lynn fans will more than likely tell you the same - is there a common factor here? You can bet your life there is!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, maneacat said: No you sound like a very lucky fan who has a professional and competent promotion of the club you follow. Unless you are aPanthers fan you cannot fully understand all the problems that have befallen theClub and our fans over the past 12 months. It has been heartbreaking to witness and there seems to be no end to the disillusionment we are sadly continuing to endure. From your position it’s very easy to criticise - especially people you don’t know but I can assure you they are not moaning for moaning’s sake - they are genuinely and quite rightly worried about the stance our Promotion are taking against the disabled as we have previous experience of their lack of open communication with fans - Kings Lynn fans will more than likely tell you the same - is there a common factor here? You can bet your life there is!!!!! I'm not the one being critical, quite the contrary if you read the detail. I'm also not sure what history has to do with this current situation. It's very different in many aspects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 34 minutes ago, Blupanther said: That's also an assumption on your part ... It's not. That's why I used the word possibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) You can see from the last 10 pages or so the level of sensitivity around this matter. This is not something that Peterborough speedway can ignore. It's too big. In this instance I feel the need to use my common sense and hope that a solution is being worked upon. Something nobody on these pages has yet done. Just because no announcement has been forthcoming, does not automatically mean that isn't being or won't be addressed. Indeed I get the feeling many people here are potentially using this to create a lot of noise and bluster. If at the seasons beginning this hasn't been seen to then I'll equally hold the Peterborough promotion with the same disdain. Until then, I'm quite happy to wait and see and hope common sense will prevail. Perhaps others should do the same. Edited January 25, 2020 by acef 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 24 minutes ago, acef said: You can see from the last 10 pages or so the level of sensitivity around this matter. This is not something that Peterborough speedway can ignore. It's too big. In this instance I feel the need to use my common sense and hope that a solution is being worked upon. Something nobody on these pages has yet done. Just because no announcement has been forthcoming, does not automatically mean that isn't being or won't be addressed. Indeed I get the feeling many people here are potentially using this to create a lot of noise and bluster. If at the seasons beginning this hasn't been seen to then I'll equally hold the Peterborough promotion with the same disdain. Until then, I'm quite happy to wait and see and hope common sense will prevail. Perhaps others should do the same. I'm glad you find this amusing maneacat. A well reasoned and sensible post in a sensitive discussion. Tells me loads about your personality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 E Mails I have sent to to the club are being returned as undeliverable , including those sent when it was thought Showground responsible. I am not into the mysteries of computers but others who are seem to feel I am being deliberately blocked retrospectively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maneacat Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 59 minutes ago, acef said: I'm glad you find this amusing maneacat. A well reasoned and sensible post in a sensitive discussion. Tells me loads about your personality. You know NOTHING especially from your location in Manchester 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maneacat Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 58 minutes ago, wealdstone said: E Mails I have sent to to the club are being returned as undeliverable , including those sent when it was thought Showground responsible. I am not into the mysteries of computers but others who are seem to feel I am being deliberately blocked retrospectively Theyre pathetic and totally unprofessional. Our Club deserves so much better especially as it celebrates its 50th anniversary. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 14 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: The original 150m is long enough. I know you allowed BB holders behind the grandstand if needed ,which was great. The 2 proposed area's are way to far for most I would of thought. It's like walking a lap of the track to get in(distance wise) A serious re think is needed. Just seen Manecat's reply. I didn't realise there was some uneven ground as well. Not ideal for wheel chairs either There are things like walking aids, some which have seats, my father in law has one, as well as mobility scooters. Most people with severe walking issues have something to assist. I agree with the arguments about letting them continue to park as before, so don't bite at that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, acef said: No. I sound like a reasoned, logical human being who has the foresight to understand that perhaps not everything is in the public domain because it isn't yet ready to be. You and others ARE making assumptions because you don't yet know what the planning and detail is to find a solution here. You are assuming that this isn't being dealt with. That people couldn't possibly be working in the background trying to find an answer and haven't released anything because it isn't yet ready to do so. I'm not making any assumptions. The notice was quite clear. The planning and detail clearly went into creating a bigger problem than the one that was reasonably easy to find a solution to within the existing system. You don't put such things out on the website (under the radar hoping that nobody spots it) and then still be working on the specifics, jeez, it's not rocket science. There were instructions, allegedly spurious reasoning and a diagram; at no point did I also see a "draft" watermark across it! I think I'm the one being reasoned here as I'm aware of the history of EoES parking and understand the problems on all sides. I've been quite calm trying to explain that history (and what history particularly has to do with it is that usually the club is fighting the EoES for access for it's disabled fans whereas they are now the ones kicking them out, that's nothing to be proud of. Also knowing how the system has been administered/organised over the seasons, and the lack of it 2019 seems to have been the prompt for where we now are) and look at what could and should have been done within this club self created problem. With respect, you are entitled to your opinion (it is a forum after all) but I don't need any lectures from someone in Manchester about this particular situation at the club I've supported for longer than I care to remember. I'm also not prepared to sit quietly hoping that they have a plan b in progress because you and I both know (yes I'm happy to assume that) that there was no other solutions being worked on. Hopefully they are looking at this again now or it's going to be a long 6 weeks whoever they sign. Edited January 26, 2020 by Crump99 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maneacat Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Crump99 said: I'm not making any assumptions. The notice was quite clear. The planning and detail clearly went into creating a bigger problem than the one that was reasonably easy to find a solution to within the existing system. You don't put such things out on the website (under the radar hoping that nobody spots it) and then still be working on the specifics, jeez, it's not rocket science. There were instructions, allegedly spurious reasoning and a diagram; at no point did I also see a "draft" watermark across it! I think I'm the one being reasoned here as I'm aware of the history of EoES parking and understand the problems on all sides. I've been quite calm trying to explain that history (and what history particularly has to do with it is that usually the club is fighting the EoES for access for it's disabled fans whereas they are now the ones kicking them out, that's nothing to be proud of. Also knowing how the system has been adminstered/organised over the seasons, and the lack of it 2019 seems to have been the prompt for wehere we now are) and look at what could and should have been done within this club self created problem. With respect, you are entitled to your opinion (it is a forum after all) but I don't need any lectures from someone in Manchester about this particular situation at the club I've supported for longer than I care to remember. I'm also not prepared to sit quietly hoping that they have a plan b in progress because you and I both know (yes I'm happy to assume that) that there was no other solutions being worked on. Hopefully they are looking at this again now or it's going to be a long 6 weeks whoever they sign. EXTREMELY WELL PUT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 11 hours ago, wealdstone said: E Mails I have sent to to the club are being returned as undeliverable , including those sent when it was thought Showground responsible. I am not into the mysteries of computers but others who are seem to feel I am being deliberately blocked retrospectively If they are undeliverable then that suggests wrong details used rather than anything untoward. Has contacting the club ever been easy? You can say on social media that everything is triffic but that's about it in the world that we know live. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Irving Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 All very unsavoury this. Has to be said that the communication between those that run/own the club and the fans who ultimately keep the club running, is poor to say the least. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 People would think so much more of management , if they just admitted they had got it wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, wealdstone said: People would think so much more of management , if they just admitted they had got it wrong. I don't think that they have to do that, just say that on reflection, and from comments received, they have decided to reinstate the former BB system for their disabled fans with clear guidelines. Any infractions will result in individual removal of access with an overall totting up procedure that could lead to the reintroduction of the newly proposed scheme in future. Everyone is happy, there are consequences and management still hold all the aces. Edited January 26, 2020 by Crump99 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, Crump99 said: I don't think that they have to do that, just say that on reflection, and from comments received, they have decided to reinstate the former BB system for their disabled fans with clear guidelines. Any infractions will result in invidual removal of access with an overall totting up procedure that could lead to the reintroduction of the newly proposed scheme in future. Everyone is happy, there are consequences and management still hold all the aces. Don't mention aces. Acef will be back. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 The club will be making a statement regarding BB parking in the next few days ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted January 26, 2020 Report Share Posted January 26, 2020 in other words they've seen the public feeling regarding this and have decided to do something 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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