acef Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 I think the key is not to assume anything at this point. It could potentially explain why Peterborough kept this low key, whilst they source and/or set up a shuttle service. Like I said, I think people are overreacting to this. It’s such a sensitive subject and I just don’t see why Peterborough would leave themselves wide open. People are assuming that any provisions put in place after adjusting the parking conditions would have been released at the same time. I say give the club a chance and see what happens. Im absolutely certain that something of this nature will be dealt with accordingly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 11 hours ago, Panthers99 said: Radio silence from the promotion which is normal. You would have thought they would nip this in the bud instead of negative PR. But there is no negative PR. It’s a minority bunch of people reacting with resistance on a speedway forum nobody looks at. As I said in my post above, people need to give them a chance. Everyone is making wild assumptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 minute ago, acef said: I think the key is not to assume anything at this point. It could potentially explain why Peterborough kept this low key, whilst they source and/or set up a shuttle service. Like I said, I think people are overreacting to this. It’s such a sensitive subject and I just don’t see why Peterborough would leave themselves wide open. People are assuming that any provisions put in place after adjusting the parking conditions would have been released at the same time. I say give the club a chance and see what happens. Im absolutely certain that something of this nature will be dealt with accordingly Why would a disabled person buy a season ticket without any provision for them to get trackside ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 Never heard of disabled referred to as a minority bunch of people.One way to look at it I suppose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Blupanther said: Why would a disabled person buy a season ticket without any provision for them to get trackside ? They wouldn’t at this point but once something is in place (if there will be) then I’m sure those BB holders will purchase season tickets. Patience is the order of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 Just now, wealdstone said: Never heard of disabled referred to as a minority bunch of people.One way to look at it I suppose And this is what boils my blood! If I was taking about disabled people I would have said so. I didn’t. I said a bunch of people because that also includes those without any disability. My point was about the volume of people raising concerns and the minority impact it has on a forum that is hardly mainstream. You are making assumptions like you have been for the last 10 pages. Stop overreacting and misrepresenting what others say because you disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, acef said: And this is what boils my blood! If I was taking about disabled people I would have said so. I didn’t. I said a bunch of people because that also includes those without any disability. My point was about the volume of people raising concerns and the minority impact it has on a forum that is hardly mainstream. You are making assumptions like you have been for the last 10 pages. Stop overreacting and misrepresenting what others say because you disagree. How do you know those that reacted do not have disability or their partners do not? Edited January 25, 2020 by wealdstone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 Just now, wealdstone said: How do you know those that reacted do not have disability or their partners do no? I don’t, but conversely why should I assume otherwise! I don’t know either way that’s why I said what I said. Who am I to assume that every comment made over the last 10 pages was from a person with a disability. Absolutely outrageous point of view, that. Shocking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonza11 Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 I’ve read these posts for years but feel compelled to comment after seeing the decision on blue badge parking by Peterborough Panthers. If Carl Johnson’s quote is accurate I’d suggest some disability awareness training for him and his colleagues at the club. Also look at the minority abusing the badge and don’t penalise the majority who genuinely need a blue badge and a closer parking space. If I attended the meetings and had a disability I’d be looking and referring the club to the disability discrimination act. So disappointed in Peterborough panthers speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) If anyone is trying to visualise the proposed Blue Badge parking at the Showground in 2020, I have attached a rough sketch below. Based on Google Earth's mapping tool, the approximate distances are as follows: Gate 3 parking to middle of Grandstand - 380m Gate 5 parking to middle of Grandstand - 325m Once a disabled person starts their journey there is nowhere to sit, rest or break the walk - other than collapsing onto the ground. For comparision, the Blue Badge parking in 2019 was approx 150m from the Grandstand. In 2018 we allowed Blue Badge holders to park immediately behind the Grandstand if their mobility needs justified it Edited January 25, 2020 by NeilWatson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 5 hours ago, wealdstone said: I believe in fairness so I must put it on record that one of my E mails to the club has been returned as undeliverable. Not a computer expert and do not know if there is more to this than the obvious. Only one? 4 hours ago, wealdstone said: No it was sent to info@ as per website info@peterborough-speedway.com? If so maybe you've been blocked..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maneacat Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 34 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: If anyone is trying to visualise the proposed Blue Badge parking at the Showground in 2020, I have attached a rough sketch below. Based on Google Earth's mapping tool, the approximate distances are as follows: Gate 3 parking to middle of Grandstand - 380m Gate 5 parking to middle of Grandstand - 325m Once a disabled person starts their journey there is nowhere to sit, rest or break the walk - other than collapsing onto the ground. For comparision, the Blue Badge parking in 2019 was approx 150m from the Grandstand. In 2018 we allowed Blue Badge holders to park immediately behind the Grandstand if their mobility needs justified it I understand you are trying to helpNeil but think it needs pointing out that parts of those routes are not tarmac, uneven and can be difficult to walk across for able bodied fans never mind Disabled trying to do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: If anyone is trying to visualise the proposed Blue Badge parking at the Showground in 2020, I have attached a rough sketch below. Based on Google Earth's mapping tool, the approximate distances are as follows: Gate 3 parking to middle of Grandstand - 380m Gate 5 parking to middle of Grandstand - 325m Once a disabled person starts their journey there is nowhere to sit, rest or break the walk - other than collapsing onto the ground. For comparision, the Blue Badge parking in 2019 was approx 150m from the Grandstand. In 2018 we allowed Blue Badge holders to park immediately behind the Grandstand if their mobility needs justified it The original 150m is long enough. I know you allowed BB holders behind the grandstand if needed ,which was great. The 2 proposed area's are way to far for most I would of thought. It's like walking a lap of the track to get in(distance wise) A serious re think is needed. Just seen Manecat's reply. I didn't realise there was some uneven ground as well. Not ideal for wheel chairs either Edited January 25, 2020 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 36 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: Only one? info@peterborough-speedway.com? If so maybe you've been blocked..... Thats what feared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 25 minutes ago, maneacat said: I understand you are trying to helpNeil but think it needs pointing out that parts of those routes are not tarmac, uneven and can be difficult to walk across for able bodied fans never mind Disabled trying to do the same. 25 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: The original 150m is long enough. I know you allowed BB holders behind the grandstand if needed ,which was great. The 2 proposed area's are way to far for most I would of thought. It's like walking a lap of the track to get in(distance wise) A serious re think is needed. Just seen Manecat's reply. I didn't realise there was some uneven ground as well. Not ideal for wheel chairs either Also poorly lit. Unless the health and safety worries banish ALL non-essential vehicles from the Showground there will still be pedestrian conflict with moving traffic (especially when using Gate 3) - but now it will be people with poor mobility trying to avoid the vehicles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 Let the BB in where the riders enter with a Marshall guiding vans to the pits and BB to a designated parking area. No public can walk through this point. Is it really so difficult? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 5 hours ago, acef said: But there is no negative PR. It’s a minority bunch of people reacting with resistance on a speedway forum nobody looks at. As I said in my post above, people need to give them a chance. Everyone is making wild assumptions. There is no negative PR yet which is why it is important to keep it centre stage because those who matter do indeed read this forum. Nobody is making wild assumptions. The notice is clear and if they were offering/exploring alternative arrangements alongside then it should have said so or not been uploaded. They are selling season tickets on the basis of no access for disabled that hasn't been publicised so what do you expect. You sound like the typical speedway fan who takes any old crap, they'd love 1000s like you! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, wealdstone said: Thats what feared Another one returned." Oh dear we have had no complaints so far" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, sneezy said: Would it not have been more appropriate and simpler to issue a statement stating. At recent meetings it has unfortunately been noted, that some blue badge holders have not been parking in the designated parking area inside the Showground. As this could have serious repercussions, we will be monitoring the situation closely over the next three meetings. Should this continue,we will have no choice but to insist that all blue badge holders will have to park outside in designated areas. Surely if this is printed and given to all BB holders at the three meetings, no genuine holder would object. After the three meetings, the person at the entrance should then tell the bb holder where to park( in case they are visiting fans) This should be done from the off as it has been made many seasons before. The first part was no parking on the grass (should apply to all cars), no driving over the grass (should apply to all cars), Blue badges on display. The second problem is location: the Arena car park isn't ideal (but very welcome so let's not start that argument again) which is why many seemed to park on the access road approaching the stand or other areas closer to the stand. Was that ever picked up, monitored or announced anywhere as a problem? Not that I'm aware of. I have some sympathy with Johnson's gripe because I saw it with my own eyes but I didn't see any action to deal with it. That's where the problem is. It's not the girl on the gate's job to admininster this. The website should say that disabled access is pre agreed and all she needs is a list of name/vehicle registrations/Badge number (or similar) if there is one, allowed disabled access with zero tolerance to anyone who is not on the list. The security bloke can deal with those people. If anyone doesn't do as instructed then they can be warned with a three strikes and we take the ruler or Tipp-ex to your details on the list. Edited January 25, 2020 by Crump99 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted January 25, 2020 Report Share Posted January 25, 2020 39 minutes ago, Crump99 said: There is no negative PR yet which is why it is important to keep it centre stage because those who matter do indeed read this forum. Nobody is making wild assumptions. The notice is clear and if they were offering/exploring alternative arrangements alongside then it should have said so or not been uploaded. They are selling season tickets on the basis of no access for disabled that hasn't been publicised so what do you expect. You sound like the typical speedway fan who takes any old crap, they'd love 1000s like you! No. I sound like a reasoned, logical human being who has the foresight to understand that perhaps not everything is in the public domain because it isn't yet ready to be. You and others ARE making assumptions because you don't yet know what the planning and detail is to find a solution here. You are assuming that this isn't being dealt with. That people couldn't possibly be working in the background trying to find an answer and haven't released anything because it isn't yet ready to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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