Peterborough Panthers 2020

[Flappy]

I see Carl Johnson is saying BWD will be the best reserve in the league so would presume Nicholls won't be at reserve 

[romans lovechild]

1 hour ago, Panthers99 said:

NKI 7.54

MPT 6.30

Hans 5.79

Harris 6.00

Tungate 6.59

Nicholls 5.50

BWD 5.47

Sadly not.... 0.60 odd over, Summers for Scott takes us to 42.56

Jordan stewart for scott nicholls and I reckon that 7 would be challenging in the play offs.

[bloom89]

8 minutes ago, romans lovechild said:

Jordan stewart for scott nicholls and I reckon that 7 would be challenging in the play offs.

Jordan Stewart has signed for Swindon.

Edited December 24, 2019 by bloom89

[Arch Stanton]

[foreverblue]

1 hour ago, Warren2 said:

If they sign Nicholls then I think they are looking at someone who can score OK at some of the away tracks.

He struggled at home, I did only go to half the home meetings but every 1 I went to if he didn’t gate he couldn’t recover.

Certainly a legend of the sport and I wouldn’t be disappointed with signing him but would hope for improvement at Home.

I would be careful what you wish for KK isn't always the most reliable. 

[semion]

Is Harris actually signed for the season or is it subject to Ippo and Lynn getting the riders they want ?

[Baldyman]

Of course Harris has signed, 

[TheMessiahOfTheBSF]

Great team being built.

Heat winners galore at the moment when it comes to the Showground. MPT knows the fastest way around our place and the stats back that up. BWD the same. 

Chris Harris has the nickname Bomber for a reason. He will love our place and will put at least 0.75 to 1.00 on his starting GSA. Bargain of the season along with Hans. Bomber didn't have any problems at Somerset last year. He's a racer and not a trapper. Foxhall just doesn't suit Bomber and that is the only reason why he ended with a 6.16. 

So far

2 Riders that will improve starting GSA's if they stay injury free and one rider who can maintain his. Still got Hans to go if rumours are true so that is 3 average improvers out of 4.

If we can get a No.1 then fantastic. If we cant give me Scotty Nicholls at reserve at least he can rip it up at reserve when we go to tracks like Ipswich & Wolves which could be valuable. 

We could virtually have a team of Two No.5's, Three No.3's and Two second strings. Cant complain with that. 

[scoobydoo]

2 hours ago, Panthers99 said:

NKI 7.54

MPT 6.30

Hans 5.79

Harris 6.00

Tungate 6.59

Nicholls 5.50

BWD 5.47

Sadly not.... 0.60 odd over, Summers for Scott takes us to 42.56

Just think of what could of been with that team but with Ryan Douglas instead of Scott Nicholls 

[Panthers99]

1 minute ago, scoobydoo said:

Just think of what could of been with that team but with Ryan Douglas instead of Scott Nicholls 

Could have had Hans and Harris at reserve come the first average changeovers 

[TheMessiahOfTheBSF]

So far. 

No.7 either Nicholls or Ostergaard

Nicholls would rip it up away from home. Ostergaard can claim some scalps whilst beating riders who he should be beating around the Showground. Two decent options. 

No.1's doubt it's going to happen but we don't need one anyway. Over 50% of teams don't have a No.1. But if we do get one either NKI or KK. Both capable of improving starting GSA's

Other HL's or second strings. Tungate already proven his liking for our track throughout the years and is capable of maintaining his average. Plus he's our strongest home rider from last season. 7.73 GSA and Overall average at home of 8.27. 

Mikkel Bech he could be anything from great to pish poor but on a 6.26 he's worth the chance and Danes do love the Showground. 

I don't see a bad outcome whichever route we take. I think we would be the dark horses for the title. Not favourites. Dark horses there is a difference before people jump down my throat.

Our 1-7 would be on par with Wolverhampton's whichever route we take. 

 

1.

2. Hans - Can put over a point on his average. Maybe two points. False average because of injuries last season. 

3. MPT - Maintain his average. Knows the track inside out.

4. Harris - Can put 0.75 - 1.00 on his average. False average due to his dislike of Foxhall. Will love the Showground.

5.

6. BWD - Can put half a point on his average. Knows the track inside out.

7.

[Flappy]

Without a number 1 it's a bang average side that will win some and lose some but will be found wanting by a lack of heat wins 

[foreverblue]

Personally i would say Hans must be nailed especially on his current average, be a major shock if he doesn't return,also Oostergaard would be a good reserve especially at home and i would expect Tungate also. The makings of a good solid team with no weak links. 

[TheMessiahOfTheBSF]

2 minutes ago, Flappy said:

Without a number 1 it's a bang average side that will win some and lose some but will be found wanting by a lack of heat wins 

Have to disagree. Other teams that people are raving about (BV & Wolves) Don't have a No.1 either.

So far by the names announced and heavily rumoured signings

Kurtz & Kildemand

Klindt & King

R. Lambert & Cook

Nicki P & J. Holder

Doyle & Batchelor

Masters & Thorssell

 

Take out KL's & Swindon's then other teams top two would be no better than ours if Tungate was to start at No.1. Everyone would score well at home but would also ride to the same standard away from home.

Before SteveBrum or someone pipes up.....I haven't forgotten about Sheffield's....I just think Nicki P wont be half as good that some think he will be. 2nd rate equipment, Commitment issues. Not half the rider he use to be etc. But that's for a different thread.

[Flappy]

5 of those I'd have personally and 1& 5

Having riders capable of going out and winning heats 1,13 and 15 is vital. 

Edited December 24, 2019 by Flappy

[Baldyman]

10 minutes ago, Flappy said:

5 of those I'd have personally and 1& 5

Having riders capable of going out and winning heats 1,13 and 15 is vital. 

A few of us are going to be without major heat winners. 

[stevebrum]

1 hour ago, foreverblue said:

I would be careful what you wish for KK isn't always the most reliable. 

Has to be the worst number one signing in history in the UK top flight league. His press interview comes across as not being interested in the UK because it’s not enough money. That offer was probably more than he deserves anyway. 

24 minutes ago, Rockstar99 said:

Have to disagree. Other teams that people are raving about (BV & Wolves) Don't have a No.1 either.

 

Before SteveBrum or someone pipes up.....I haven't forgotten about Sheffield's....I just think Nicki P wont be half as good that some think he will be. 2nd rate equipment, Commitment issues. Not half the rider he use to be etc. But that's for a different thread.

Just who has been ‘raving’  about Wolves? I’ve not seen many positive posts about the proposed line up only howls of derision by potentially building to 2 points lower than the points limit.

As for NP, I won’t be surprised if he ends up to averaged rider at end of the year. That’s what opinions are all about. 

Edited December 24, 2019 by stevebrum
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[TheMessiahOfTheBSF]

21 minutes ago, Flappy said:

5 of those I'd have personally and 1& 5

Having riders capable of going out and winning heats 1,13 and 15 is vital. 

Hans & Harris would be capable of doing that for us. Age is just a number. Both on false averages due to certain circumstances in 2019. Tungate also capable at home over an 8.00 point average.

I would only take KL & Sheffield's top two as the others would be no different to ours.

Masters & Thorssell would score well at home but bang average away from home. Same as our proposed top two.

BV exactly the same. Brady a known choke artist at No.1. Kildemand back in British Speedway because he got dumped out of the Ekstraliga because Gorzow realised he wasn't good enough. Killer is bang average tbh. Good entertainment value but also reckless and prone to mistakes. Wouldn't rely on him to win a Heat 13 or Heat 15 over most heat leaders in this league.

Klindt and King. No different to us. Score well at home but away bang average. King has never done anything on the road and Klindt has never ridden at No.1

 

They've all got faults plus there are 4 play-off spots up for grabs and who knows when the season is coming to an end Buster might be able to get a No.1 in for the last few meetings if we manage to take a play-off spot that's if we don't have one at the start of the season.

Only top two that's reliable are King's Lynn & Swindon's. Everyone else it's a level playing field. All will score well at home but away from home they could easily be beaten by the home team's engine room on a consistent basis. 

[Flappy]

Tungate and Hans average what they do for a reason. It's not just don't to injury.  They are going to have good days and bad days 

[TheMessiahOfTheBSF]

16 minutes ago, stevebrum said:

Has to be the worst number one signing in history in the UK top flight league. His press interview comes across as not being interested in the UK because it’s not enough money. That offer was probably more than he deserves anyway. 

Just who has been ‘raving’  about Wolves? I’ve not seen many positive posts about the proposed line up only howls of derision by potentially building to 2 points lower than the points limit.

As for NP, I won’t be surprised if he ends up to averaged rider at end of the year. That’s what opinions are all about. 

Plenty have said it's a title challenging side across various social media platforms and some on here.

And they're right. 2 points under the limit means nothing with that side. You don't need a No.1 in this league. 

Masters & Thorssell will do the business around Monmore. Morris, Becker & Douglas will all improve starting GSA's.

Rory Schlein is capable of doing a job in the engine room with his experience and Nicol could be anything. Could end up like Becker after one year or he could be a complete bust during his first year. If he's like Becker then that is 4 average improvers. With 3 at least maintaining starting GSA's.

I think Wolves have the best team in the league so far despite being two points under the limit. What they lose in the HL department they more than make up for in the tail. 

 

I honestly would mind us going with BWD & Nicholls at reserve. Because the tail end is the most important element to winning titles imo. Reserves can take 7 rides. Replace any under performing rider. Reserves can also be forced into extra rides if a top end rider withdraws from a meeting. 

On paper.

Stewart, Perks & Rowe

Howarth, T. Kurtz & A. Morris

get smacked 24/7 by Becker, Douglas & Nicol or Andersen, BWD & Nicholls. So what both clubs lose in the HL department they gain in the reserve / tail end department.