Sidney the robin Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 10:48 AM, Gavan said: Oh the fun of it Just watched this meeting back this morning after avoiding the result when out last night What a fantastic achievement for the league outsiders to beat the title favourites So on Thursday we had all the Poole fans hammering on about what an amazing team manager he was to motivate his team to win the meeting.................where was Middlo last night???.....he had Kurtz woeful , the reserves woeful and Holder basically sticking 2 fingers up at him........a good team manager would have motivated those boys, made Holder ride .....and pulled the meeting out the bag Hawkins has been poor in some decisions this season but to see his team throw away a lead to then be able to motivate them into doing that last night....well perhaps he can show Muddlo how to do it. Poole have twice won at Foxhall this season , once with a weakened team............how can a team manager see his team go missing in a final......i think Middlo thought job was done Klindt , Josh and Covatti aside that was a shocking inept attitude from the Poole riders......look at Sarjeant riding his socks off last night , Wells and Kurtz should be ashamed. I have many times said Kurtz goes missing when the pressure is on...........seems i was right again Oh and who said Heeps has been awful since moving out of reserve.......7+3 from 4 rides.........lol great performance again. How did Poole mess this season up? Questions need to be asked A team hot favourites at the start and all the way up until the end of July.......finish top of the league and blow it............first team in history to finish top and not make the final......... I see Shovlar is saying Poole are the better team..........crap..........you simply were beaten over 2 legs by a BETTER side......blaming anything and everything.......why dont you go off to Rome again....... Kurtz and Holder need to get away from Poole, neither like the track and their careers have gone backwards.............. Poole tried to cheat and failed ..............woop woop Ive even seen a Poole fan say that Ipswich bringing in Iversen is wrong............totally fine when Poole did it with Hancock though............ For all you decent Poole fans on here...........im sure your team will be up there again next season But my last words are saved for the disappearing Starman....................CHOMP CHOMP CHOMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Expand I watched the two meeting's in one go after the European Championship's and it went the way i thought.Harris at Poole was box office a real racer who is a pleasure to watch Sarjeant again in two meeting's put in a shift but for me Heeps has been the rider of the season.Last year for Wolves i felt he was finished at Premiership level but he has worked hard and got his career back on track.I suspect you are secretely having a quiet smile and fair play to Ipswich on there success for me the signing of f Wells tells you everything about Poole some dreadful signing's over the last three years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 11:03 AM, False dawn said: I have no opinion about Richie Hawkins and his managerial ability. But he, himself, said that the one thing that really got the Ipswich "up for it" last night was the way the Poole riders were celebrating at the end of first leg. I know they had a right to feel that coming back from a 12 point deficit to win by 10 points was cause for celebration. But simple psychology tells you not to rub the opposition's nose in it, especially at half time. Expand This is of course utter rubbish. No way did Middlo or the Poole team, and certainly not the fans think it was “in the bag”. Hawkins is just plain lying and he knows it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) On 9/29/2019 at 11:23 AM, Steve Shovlar said: This is of course utter rubbish. No way did Middlo or the Poole team, and certainly not the fans think it was “in the bag”. Hawkins is just plain lying and he knows it. Expand So the riders didn't celebrate? And the non existent celebrations didn't wind up the Ipswich team? P.S. I never said that Poole thought they had it "in the bag". I said they celebrated because they had got out of jail. I suggested that such celebrations might just get the Ipswich riders to think something like, "Well we'll see how you like it on Saturday". Edited September 29, 2019 by False dawn 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) On 9/29/2019 at 11:26 AM, False dawn said: So the riders didn't celebrate? And the non existent celebrations didn't wind up the Ipswich team? Expand So you are not allowed to celebrate a 10 point lead? If Ippo kept their 12 point lead, they wouldn't have clapped, high fived or cheered? Do me a favour. Biggest load of crap I have ever heard! Edited September 29, 2019 by lisa-colette 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 11:30 AM, lisa-colette said: So you are not allowed to celebrate a 10 point lead? If Ippo kept their 12 point lead, they wouldn't have clapped, high fived or cheered? Do me favour. Biggest load of crap I have ever heard! Expand I never said they shouldn't celebrate. They did get out of jail after all. Just don't do it opposite the Ipswich pit. You discount the fact that this might motivate them to ride a bit harder in the return match? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 11:30 AM, lisa-colette said: So you are not allowed to celebrate a 10 point lead? If Ippo kept their 12 point lead, they wouldn't have clapped, high fived or cheered? Do me a favour. Biggest load of crap I have ever heard! Expand You are correct . Nicolai Klindt explained perfectly the reason for the celebrations. At 12 down they were rapidly heading out the play offs then to turn it round in a hour to end been 10 up and slap bang in the tie deserves celebrating. Any team in any sport would celebrate in the same way . To say they would not is just silly . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 11:33 AM, False dawn said: I never said they shouldn't celebrate. They did get out of jail after all. Just don't do it opposite the Ipswich pit. You discount the fact that this might motivate them to ride a bit harder in the return match? Expand How did they do it oppo the Ipswich side? The away side of the pits is round the back side. The Poole side of the pits is just behind where Natalie was standing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurRudge Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 Lisa I thought better of you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 11:23 AM, Steve Shovlar said: This is of course utter rubbish. No way did Middlo or the Poole team, and certainly not the fans think it was “in the bag”. Hawkins is just plain lying and he knows it. Expand Perhaps it was therefore clever psychology and team management to get that thought in their heads...... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 11:36 AM, ProudtobeaBrummie said: You are correct . Nicolai Klindt explained perfectly the reason for the celebrations. At 12 down they were rapidly heading out the play offs then to turn it round in a hour to end been 10 up and slap bang in the tie deserves celebrating. Any team in any sport would celebrate in the same way . To say they would not is just silly . Expand I would, with respect, reread my posting. I said the "get out of jail" performance was cause for celebration. But don't rub the other teams noses in it. Or perhaps you think Ipswich came into last night's meeting a beaten team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 11:36 AM, ProudtobeaBrummie said: You are correct . Nicolai Klindt explained perfectly the reason for the celebrations. At 12 down they were rapidly heading out the play offs then to turn it round in a hour to end been 10 up and slap bang in the tie deserves celebrating. Any team in any sport would celebrate in the same way . To say they would not is just silly . Expand Exactly. If that winds Ippo riders up then they must get wound up all the time! They prob more annoyed they let a lead slip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 11:39 AM, False dawn said: I would, with respect, reread my posting. I said the "get out of jail" performance was cause for celebration. But don't rub the other teams noses in it. Or perhaps you think Ipswich came into last night's meeting a beaten team. Expand No not at . But i dont think Poole celebrating at the end of the 1st leg played any factor in the outcome at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 11:42 AM, lisa-colette said: Exactly. If that winds Ippo riders up then they must get wound up all the time! They prob more annoyed they let a lead slip. Expand If the ippo riders were riding super aggressive and passing the poole riders i would say yes they were wound up . But in reality Kurtz, Holder, THJ and Wells were so poor last night the ipswich riders only had to ride passively to beat these 4 guys . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 11:44 AM, ProudtobeaBrummie said: No not at . But i dont think Poole celebrating at the end of the 1st leg played any factor in the outcome at all. Expand I think we'll agree to disagree. On 9/29/2019 at 11:42 AM, lisa-colette said: If that winds Ippo riders up then they must get wound up all the time! Expand I think that is a correct observation. However this was not at the end of the meeting in a one leg competition, it was at half time. But you and the Poole team are of course free to reject my analysis and do the same at the half way stage of all future play offs. It makes for a better second leg anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 11:49 AM, False dawn said: I think we'll agree to disagree. I think that is a correct observation. However this was not at the end of the meeting in a one leg competition, it was at half time. But you and the Poole team are of course free to reject my analysis and do the same at the half way stage of all future play offs. It makes for a better second leg anyway. Expand Interesting you have a problem with it when Coventry did it half way through a meeting once! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 11:52 AM, lisa-colette said: Interesting you have a problem with it when Coventry did it half way through a meeting once! Expand If I'd witnessed Coventry doing it I'd have made exactly the same comments. As I said it's simple psychology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 11:49 AM, False dawn said: I think we'll agree to disagree. I think that is a correct observation. However this was not at the end of the meeting in a one leg competition, it was at half time. But you and the Poole team are of course free to reject my analysis and do the same at the half way stage of all future play offs. It makes for a better second leg anyway. Expand I would like to know how they rubbed Ippo's noses in it. They celebrated on track and on their way back to the Poole side of the pits nowhere near the Ipswich side! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 11:55 AM, lisa-colette said: I would like to know how they rubbed Ippo's noses in it. They celebrated on track and on their way back to the Poole side of the pits nowhere near the Ipswich side! Expand Well we'll have to assume that Richie Hawkings lied on camera as Steve said then won't we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted September 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 End of the day we all know (except Ipswich fans) the playoff final will be a poorer contest without Poole in it. Neutrals will have a couldn’t care less attitude about it. Wolves v Ipswich? Meh! Who wins who cares? Neutrals won’t give a flying toss. Swindon v Ipswich? Same. Other than the fans of these clubs no one else will really care. We all know with Poole in the final passions are raised sky high. There are no neutrals. And that’s the truth whether you like it or not. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 On 9/29/2019 at 11:55 AM, False dawn said: If I'd witnessed Coventry doing it I'd have made exactly the same comments. As I said it's simple psychology. Expand 2003 ko cup final. AJ and Janniro were jumping up and down celebrating cos they had a 12/14 point agg lead after about H7/8 ish of course Coventry didn't end up winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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