2020 NL Season

[TurnTwo]

40 minutes ago, flipper11 said:

Good question. I can make a couple of guesses for you. The expenses of PL v CL are not massively more. There are more southern based teams in PL v CL so maybe more interest from away supporters to travel, of course this may change if Berwick & Sheffield go up as well. Most importantly I think it may give Kent more leverage with the planners to extend the curfew if there is top flight racing.

You don’t think CL racing or PL racing is considerably more????

[flipper11]

36 minutes ago, TurnTwo said:

You don’t think CL racing or PL racing is considerably more????

I said PL verses CL. 

[SteveLyric2]

2 hours ago, flipper11 said:

I said PL verses CL. 

So why is Matt Ford suggesting costs in CL are approx 25% less than PL?  I know he's had loads of chats with Len in recent months, so who knows?

[flipper11]

19 minutes ago, Skidder1 said:

So why is Matt Ford suggesting costs in CL are approx 25% less than PL?  I know he's had loads of chats with Len in recent months, so who knows?

If Matt Ford says costs in CL are around 25% less than PL then they must be. 

[TurnTwo]

I’d still bet the points money is quite a bit higher in the top league than the middle..

[old bob at herne bay]

Surely riders wages are the only variable cost  between PL and CL - all the other costs are fixed whatever league you race in ?  As for the costs of  Kent moving from the NL to the PL, Len will need also 7 riders, or maybe 6 if Drew Kemp rides at number 7.

[Guest]

7 hours ago, flipper11 said:

Good question. I can make a couple of guesses for you. The expenses of PL v CL are not massively more. There are more southern based teams in PL v CL so maybe more interest from away supporters to travel, of course this may change if Berwick & Sheffield go up as well. Most importantly I think it may give Kent more leverage with the planners to extend the curfew if there is top flight racing.

...but will local non-speedway followers like it? And they will seek without doubt the backing of their locally ELECTED councillors to support their objections. Sad but a harsh fact.

[flipper11]

22 minutes ago, gustix said:

...but will local non-speedway followers like it? And they will seek without doubt the backing of their locally ELECTED councillors to support their objections. Sad but a harsh fact.

Very true but reading the planning permission Kent have, they can race on a Friday up to 9.10pm or if there is an accident/s they can extend racing to 9.30pm, but, only for Elite/PL racing not NL or CL.    I am only guessing, but it is possible Kent may apply for the same permission on a Monday if they are accepted into the PL when the TV cameras are at C Park based on the fact they already have permission to 9.30 on Fridays.   I would also guess they would not get permission to extend to 9.30 every Monday for the reasons you pointed out.

[TurnTwo]

12 hours ago, old bob at herne bay said:

Surely riders wages are the only variable cost  between PL and CL - all the other costs are fixed whatever league you race in ?  As for the costs of  Kent moving from the NL to the PL, Len will need also 7 riders, or maybe 6 if Drew Kemp rides at number 7.

I think Anders would have a bigger shoe in the door than Drew. I’d actually say that Anders is better than Drew now.

[Sings4Speedway]

1 hour ago, TurnTwo said:

I think Anders would have a bigger shoe in the door than Drew. I’d actually say that Anders is better than Drew now.

I think Anders has plenty of firm offers already and would be very surprised if he isn't provisionally signed somewhere pending the AGM. However i think Rowe is also wise enough to not get stuck at one track whilst Kemp wants away as he has not mastered the Kent circuit.

[teaboy279]

13 hours ago, flipper11 said:

Very true but reading the planning permission Kent have, they can race on a Friday up to 9.10pm or if there is an accident/s they can extend racing to 9.30pm, but, only for Elite/PL racing not NL or CL.    I am only guessing, but it is possible Kent may apply for the same permission on a Monday if they are accepted into the PL when the TV cameras are at C Park based on the fact they already have permission to 9.30 on Fridays.   I would also guess they would not get permission to extend to 9.30 every Monday for the reasons you pointed out.

If we ever went up i think that is the sort of deal that will be negotiated. Run normal 6.30 start, with 7.30 start  for TV meetings.

I imagine once on tv the stadium could very easily get chosen for a gp qualifier and the council may see the benefit of having successful sports teams in its borough.

[teaboy279]

1 hour ago, TurnTwo said:

I think Anders would have a bigger shoe in the door than Drew. I’d actually say that Anders is better than Drew now.

I am a big fan of Anders and get on with the family, its Anders dream to ride for his home town club Swindon and has always been very open about that, that is where he wants to be once he is good enough. I would be pretty shocked if he wasnt in thier line up if he rides top flight in 2020.

Edited October 22, 2019 by teaboy279

[teaboy279]

37 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said:

I think Anders has plenty of firm offers already and would be very surprised if he isn't provisionally signed somewhere pending the AGM. However i think Rowe is also wise enough to not get stuck at one track whilst Kemp wants away as he has not mastered the Kent circuit.

Not sure where this notion that Kemp wants away comes from, my understanding is whilst disappointed in his form (having the chance to interview him most weeks, i quickly learnt anything less then a max is not good enough) I think he is more then happy at the club. I may be wrong of course.

[HGould]

38 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said:

I think Anders has plenty of firm offers already and would be very surprised if he isn't provisionally signed somewhere pending the AGM. However i think Rowe is also wise enough to not get stuck at one track whilst Kemp wants away as he has not mastered the Kent circuit.

Isn't Anders a Swindon asset?

I would think occasional rides there and another season at Somerset would be ideal for him.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, teaboy279 said:

If we ever went up i think that is the sort of deal that will be negotiated. Run normal 6.30 start, with 7.30 start  for TV meetings.

I imagine once on tv the stadium could very easily get chosen for a gp qualifier and the council may see the benefit of having successful sports teams in its borough.

What do you define as being a GP qualifier? And ahead of the NSS in Manchester? 

[teaboy279]

3 minutes ago, gustix said:

What do you define as being a GP qualifier? And ahead of the NSS in Manchester? 

The NSS is more established on the bigger stage so would more likely host the GP Challenge, I think if Kent ever got the correct fim accreditation and permission from the council then a qualifying round would probably more likely. 

It was more of a hypothetical question really. But should we ever be in a position that we have tv speedway in Kent, it could potentially sweeten the council and leave them wanting to have bigger meetings in thier back yard.

It would be fantastic to have a stadium able to host International speedway in the south, (even better when it's an hour from home), the main grandstand alone seats 2000.

[blueherb777]

8 minutes ago, teaboy279 said:

The NSS is more established on the bigger stage so would more likely host the GP Challenge, I think if Kent ever got the correct fim accreditation and permission from the council then a qualifying round would probably more likely. 

It was more of a hypothetical question really. But should we ever be in a position that we have tv speedway in Kent, it could potentially sweeten the council and leave them wanting to have bigger meetings in thier back yard.

It would be fantastic to have a stadium able to host International speedway in the south, (even better when it's an hour from home), the main grandstand alone seats 2000.

I agree,but surely the track would have to improve a lot for that to happen.

[Sings4Speedway]

1 hour ago, teaboy279 said:

Not sure where this notion that Kemp wants away comes from, my understanding is whilst disappointed in his form (having the chance to interview him most weeks, i quickly learnt anything less then a max is not good enough) I think he is more then happy at the club. I may be wrong of course.

I think largely the very reasons you have stated, whilst not unhappy at the club Kemp always wants to be top dog and max out (nothing wrong with that) but i feel that a track that suits him better is where he will end up as he is very  much a confidence rider. 

[DC2]

1 hour ago, teaboy279 said:

I am a big fan of Anders and get on with the family, its Anders dream to ride for his home town club Swindon and has always been very open about that, that is where he wants to be once he is good enough. I would be pretty shocked if he wasnt in thier line up if he rides top flight in 2020.

 

Anders would be mad to ride in the PL next year, even if he weren’t prevented from doing so by the 3 point minimum average.

It would ruin his confidence, like Jack Smith last season.

His CL average is only 4.38, whereas Ellis Perks’ is 6.4, and Ellis struggled in the PL this season to average 3.57.

[Sings4Speedway]

42 minutes ago, DC2 said:

 

Anders would be mad to ride in the PL next year, even if he weren’t prevented from doing so by the 3 point minimum average.

It would ruin his confidence, like Jack Smith last season.

His CL average is only 4.38, whereas Ellis Perks’ is 6.4, and Ellis struggled in the PL this season to average 3.57.

The achieved 3 was one of the best rules brought into speedway over the past few years along with the increases in conversion rate. However i have a sneaky feeling all that sensible work could be undone with the introduction of a under 21 rider rule in the top flight.