Islander15 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 It’s a maximum of 1 rider per team that’s averaged over 4.00 at some point. Not that they can’t ride at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Gutted for the second year on the trot there will be no speedway in either Hertfordshire or Essex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Whilst the NL has to be saved this doesn't look like a good plan. I admire Edinburgh having a go at giving the northern based young ones a team to aim for but their nearest rivals will be Belle Vue then Leicester . The makeup of this division will see more lads ' retire ' during the season as the distances between tracks is just not cost effective for 'youngsters' , allegedly on £10 a point , or those trying to hold down full time employment. The new rules also look silly, we now have handicap racing which means the more inexperienced riders have more chance of being dropped from a ride having travelled for hours to get to a meeting . Yet again we make the sport more complicated than it needs to be. Whilst I do think it's the best of a bad job , this is not a good strategy for the future of speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andout Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Whilst the NL has to be saved this doesn't look like a good plan. I admire Edinburgh having a go at giving the northern based young ones a team to aim for but their nearest rivals will be Belle Vue then Leicester . The makeup of this division will see more lads ' retire ' during the season as the distances between tracks is just not cost effective for 'youngsters' , allegedly on £10 a point , or those trying to hold down full time employment. The new rules also look silly, we now have handicap racing which means the more inexperienced riders have more chance of being dropped from a ride having travelled for hours to get to a meeting . Yet again we make the sport more complicated than it needs to be. Whilst I do think it's the best of a bad job , this is not a good strategy for the future of speedway. Yes they have made some rules complicated but at least the "silliest" one's are in the National Trophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) Handicap racing ok for individual meetings but a big NoNo for league racing!,,,! If they bring that in a lot of riders will pack it in....... Edited December 17, 2019 by waco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Fortythirtyeight said: The makeup of this division will see more lads ' retire ' during the season as the distances between tracks is just not cost effective for 'youngsters' , allegedly on £10 a point , or those trying to hold down full time employment. Unfortunately I do agree but any of the youngsters wanting to be professional riders have to go through the hard yards of running up and down the country for little or no reward. There are scores of riders doing it already in the junior leagues and amateur meetings and for second half’s. I do believe there is a mind set that riders believe they have made it once they get to the NDL and should earn a living . Unfortunately the reality is something very different it’s the first real step on a very greasy steep ladder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Central Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Richard Weston said: Worth a trial in NL. The idea is to encourage more passing, I would think. I well remember when the Elite had an off 15m tactical rule, that could make for a thriller if a reserve or 2nd string was holding off a top guy. This is a small trial, in a small competition, and it will be interesting to see if it works. Speedway certainly needs to evolve/change. Thank you Richard for your words of support. The handicap and the gate change rules only apply to the NT competition, not the league, and were agreed by all three participating clubs as a way of creating something a little different. No rider will be left out of his/her nominated race, it is not a tactical substitution but a means of trying to do things differently. As you may know the IOW have held handicap races for a number of years and this season we tried 6 riders in the final for the first time so we keep innovating. Some things work and some don't but unless you try, you will never know. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 The handicap idea is decent in theory and if used in the best spirit it could create a few additional areas of interest mid meeting which will always be good. It does suit tracks like IOW far better than it will Mildenhall & Plymouth tough as you need size and passing opportunities for it to become a winner. What happens if the top averaged rider in the chosen races doesn't fancy it and gets themselves timed out? Does the reserve assume the average and have to take the 15 metres or will the other rider have to drop back if they are higher averaged than the reserve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Sings4Speedway said: The handicap idea is decent in theory and if used in the best spirit it could create a few additional areas of interest mid meeting which will always be good. It does suit tracks like IOW far better than it will Mildenhall & Plymouth tough as you need size and passing opportunities for it to become a winner. What happens if the top averaged rider in the chosen races doesn't fancy it and gets themselves timed out? Does the reserve assume the average and have to take the 15 metres or will the other rider have to drop back if they are higher averaged than the reserve? I hope the reserve assumes the average of the rider he’s replacing in the race. Else if you have a superstar reserve then you could purposely do that to bring him in and start him at the tapes. I’d like to think that a heat leader wouldn’t just ‘not fancy it’ seeing as he knows he won’t get paid to stay in the pits but could easily come third and get paid for second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 Having looked at Plymouths team .The disparity in riders ability is ridiculous . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 4 hours ago, ProudtobeaBrummie said: Having looked at Plymouths team .The disparity in riders ability is ridiculous . That's why using the Elite League "fast track" race format would be ideal for the NL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 5 hours ago, szkocjasid said: That's why using the Elite League "fast track" race format would be ideal for the NL! All that does is skew riders’ averages massively and create a massive problem the next season. Not to mention the boring heat formula. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 16 hours ago, ProudtobeaBrummie said: Having looked at Plymouths team .The disparity in riders ability is ridiculous . In what way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 6 hours ago, Islander15 said: All that does is skew riders’ averages massively and create a massive problem the next season. Not to mention the boring heat formula. Seems clear from Speedway Star that NDL - National Development League will look a lot different in 2021 with no stand alone Clubs and probably more on model of SDL/MDL/NorthernDL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 16 hours ago, ProudtobeaBrummie said: Having looked at Plymouths team .The disparity in riders ability is ridiculous . Piffle At Birmingham in 2018 we had Tom Bacon / James Shanes / Danyon Hume with likes of Sheldon Davies and Aaron Butcher. Were you there then??? I don't think anyone of right mind would argue that is a MUCH bigger disparity than anything at Plymouth next season (Bowtell/Stoneman and Atkins nowhere near ability of Bacon/Shanes/Hume) with same 2 reserves who are probably better now than in 2018; in what many argue was the high point of the NL with 5-6 excellent Teams in 2018. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 26 minutes ago, HGould said: Piffle At Birmingham in 2018 we had Tom Bacon / James Shanes / Danyon Hume with likes of Sheldon Davies and Aaron Butcher. Were you there then??? I don't think anyone of right mind would argue that is a MUCH bigger disparity than anything at Plymouth next season (Bowtell/Stoneman and Atkins nowhere near ability of Bacon/Shanes/Hume) with same 2 reserves who are probably better now than in 2018; in what many argue was the high point of the NL with 5-6 excellent Teams in 2018. Piffle makes me laugh for some reason, suppose it's more polite than bol***ks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, HGould said: Seems clear from Speedway Star that NDL - National Development League will look a lot different in 2021 with no stand alone Clubs and probably more on model of SDL/MDL/NorthernDL? So what happens to the current three standalone clubs? We know that Plymouth want to go into the Championship but would Mildenhall and Isle of Wight be able to make the move and if not that would mean the loss of two tracks and being fair that is speedway shoting itself in the foot big time. The sport needs more tracks not fewer. Edited December 20, 2019 by Chris116 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Chris116 said: So what happens to the current three standalone clubs? We k ow that Plymouth want to go into the Championship but would Mildenhall and Isle of Wight be able to make the move and if not that would mean the loss of two tracks and being fair that is speedway shoting itself in the foot big time. The sport needs more tracks not fewer. I think they are working on solutions based on the article but as things stand could lose 3 Clubs I guess? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richspeedway Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 Reading the article they are looking at possibly spliting the league into a north/south. Guess this will depend on numbers but it says a few teams are interested in a second team. Hopefully the 3 clubs will not be lost as we need to keep and get more tracks than mothball them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 hours ago, HGould said: Seems clear from Speedway Star that NDL - National Development League will look a lot different in 2021 with no stand alone Clubs and probably more on model of SDL/MDL/NorthernDL? Can anyone post the article? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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