mikebv Posted April 15, 2021 Report Share Posted April 15, 2021 1 minute ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: The T2 sports visa costs the frontier visa is free then depending on various other criteria there may be healthcare costs to pay... it's a minefield really and the promotions will need a sponsors licence and there are various other conditions to meet... Brexit certainly done Speedway no favours that's for sure... Regards THJ Or maybe it has THJ? A bit of short term pain for long term gain? Flying in and out hundreds of journeymen foreign riders over the years and planning fixtures around these riders agendas, regardless of whether a good night to run or not, whilst at the same time reducing the places available to UK riders could now be a thing of the past... Those who run the sport have steadfastly avoided "the bleedin' obvious" so maybe the pandemic has forced their hand and it will be for the best in the long run? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionsFan Posted April 15, 2021 Report Share Posted April 15, 2021 Will there be a long trun for speedway if the product continues to be diluted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted April 15, 2021 Report Share Posted April 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Ryan555 said: Yeah I read it in speedway star you would have thought they’d have something up by now anyway ! More concerned with the podcast maybe? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted April 15, 2021 Report Share Posted April 15, 2021 17 minutes ago, mikebv said: A bit of short term pain for long term gain? Can't disagree Mike to be fair its definitley the other side of the arguement... if it works that way... I just think the sport is a bit fragile and vulnerable at present... 6 minutes ago, LionsFan said: Will there be a long run for speedway if the product continues to be diluted? Bit brutal and I sincerely hope you are wrong but again opinions like this do stand up for themselves at the minute... unfortunately... so in that context "your not wrong" (either) Regards THJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 15, 2021 Report Share Posted April 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, LionsFan said: Will there be a long trun for speedway if the product continues to be diluted? For me. 100%... The sport is down to its very hardest of hard core support so is pretty much bomb proof from any more "walking away".. Therefore, keeping the same numbers (or even a 'natural' reduction in punters), but removing thousands from their costs, has to be a good thing for the future of the sport... "Never waste a good crisis" is a term often quoted in business.. Speedway should take note...... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted April 15, 2021 Report Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, mikebv said: "Never waste a good crisis" is a term often quoted in business.. Speedway should take note...... Never a truer word said... lol Didn't know whether to put a like on it or a laugh... Regards THJ Edited April 15, 2021 by TotallyHonestJohn Missed out word 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romans lovechild Posted April 15, 2021 Report Share Posted April 15, 2021 speedway for me is not about winning, it is about watching 4 guys turning left and racing, to me it is more about the entertainment value than seeing your team win all the time, sport is supposed to be about 2 teams battling it out for supremecy and not knowing the winners before you go, i remember in the late 70`s/ early 80`s when sheffield did not have too good a side and there was some close meetings which the tigers lost quite a few of, but these were enjoyable to watch as you never knew the outcome. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted April 15, 2021 Report Share Posted April 15, 2021 I remember the other side of that argument. Going to Cradley where we smashed every team. Most seemed to love it but I found it boring and eventually stopped going for a good many years. Best speedway I've seen week on week was at Monmore for about 10 years from the late 90s. Every week the action was brilliant and being a Heathen I wasn't too bothered if Wolves won or lost until I started turning but that's another story. Lol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 10 hours ago, romans lovechild said: speedway for me is not about winning, it is about watching 4 guys turning left and racing, to me it is more about the entertainment value than seeing your team win all the time, sport is supposed to be about 2 teams battling it out for supremecy and not knowing the winners before you go, i remember in the late 70`s/ early 80`s when sheffield did not have too good a side and there was some close meetings which the tigers lost quite a few of, but these were enjoyable to watch as you never knew the outcome. This is where the sport has two very distinct fan groups and are at odds with each other as how Speedway should be. One side are the club supporting happy clappers who care mostly about the results of their own team and will defend even the worst riders until a better option comes along, those who happily sling mud at other teams but will not attend after a run of bad results. The other side are the Speedway fans who want to be entertained and the result is often secondary providing the racing on show is up to scratch. Obviously there are exceptions but for the most part there is one fan base split into two groups, you can't please everyone and yet the sport needs them all. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 17 hours ago, mikebv said: Or maybe it has THJ? A bit of short term pain for long term gain? Flying in and out hundreds of journeymen foreign riders over the years and planning fixtures around these riders agendas, regardless of whether a good night to run or not, whilst at the same time reducing the places available to UK riders could now be a thing of the past... Those who run the sport have steadfastly avoided "the bleedin' obvious" so maybe the pandemic has forced their hand and it will be for the best in the long run? It’s a very valid point actually. How can it be justified to fly riders like Kasper Anderson in and out of the country, who let’s be honest, is a second string at best - when a British rider should and could be given that opportunity for much less cost and in this case, do just a good a job? 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, Najjer said: It’s a very valid point actually. How can it be justified to fly riders like Kasper Anderson in and out of the country, who let’s be honest, is a second string at best - when a British rider should and could be given that opportunity for much less cost and in this case, do just a good a job? A mistake repeated time and time and time again over the past 20 to 30 years or so.. Simply Rinse and Repeat when the journeymen you spend lots of money on, and change fixture lists for, (which impacts your customers), dont come up to scratch... "Lets bring Anders Karlsson in and if that doesnt work we can bring Karl Andersson in instead".. And all to try and win competitions that even Mickey Mouse wouldn't admit to being in charge of.. A very strange way to run things.. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, mikebv said: A mistake repeated time and time and time again over the past 20 to 30 years or so.. Simply Rinse and Repeat when the journeymen you spend lots of money on, and change fixture lists for, (which impacts your customers), dont come up to scratch... "Lets bring Anders Karlsson in and if that doesn't work we can bring Karl Andersson in instead".. And all to try and win competitions that even Mickey Mouse wouldn't admit to being in charge of.. A very strange way to run things.. Thing is there was always the hope of bringing in an Ole Olsen Anders Michanek Niki Pedersen Kenneth Bjerre Kenni Larsen Rene Back Peter Kildermand Freddie Lindgren Jacob Thorssell and any other Scandinavian who might give your team a boost then offer a return on a transfer (especially to second tier teams) or some of the other riders like Ludvig Lindgren Lasse Bjerre Dickie Juul Rasmus Jensen and many others who were attractive propositions as they worked hard and offered regular points for a team... even the bad ones or lets be polite and say the ones who didn't quite make the grade still came committed with good gear and a different work ethic to the current crop of UK guys... so you can see the attraction of bringing in the Johnny Foreigner... (apologies for the colloquialism) Agreed it is/was "A very strange way to run things" and as per your previous post what an opportunity to change things and I think it must be dawning on promotions that the current model isn't quite right in the current environment but what an opportunity to change things around and shake things up. Lets hope that opportunity isn't wasted because I sincerely think that the Polish position will change next year and they will stop riders racing anywhere else other than in Poland and if that does happen there will be a lot of squad member's in Polish teams; of all nationalities having to make tough decisions… Do they want to race or warm a bench waiting for their opportunity when someone gets injured or their form drops off and not have the opportunity to race anywhere else in Europe... Who knows... But that's next year!!! lets get this one over first... Regards THJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Thing is there was always the hope of bringing in an Ole Olsen Anders Michanek Niki Pedersen Kenneth Bjerre Kenni Larsen Rene Back Peter Kildermand Freddie Lindgren Jacob Thorssell and any other Scandinavian who might give your team a boost then offer a return on a transfer (especially to second tier teams) or some of the other riders like Ludvig Lindgren Lasse Bjerre Dickie Juul Rasmus Jensen and many others who were attractive propositions as they worked hard and offered regular points for a team... even the bad ones or lets be polite and say the ones who didn't quite make the grade still came committed with good gear and a different work ethic to the current crop of UK guys... so you can see the attraction of bringing in the Johnny Foreigner... (apologies for the colloquialism) Regards THJ Yep totally agree. It seems promotors would sooner sign a Dane, a Swede or an Aussie just because they think they might be decent because of their nationality. You think back over the years like Jedd List, Ricky Wallace, Kurt Shields, was it Michael Penfold at Glasgow? Some of them could barely turn the bike, let alone score some decent points for their team. Now is the time to back the Brits. You only have to see how it’s benefitted the Poles by them taking.... and continuing on that path. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Najjer said: Yep totally agree. It seems promotors would sooner sign a Dane, a Swede or an Aussie just because they think they might be decent because of their nationality. You think back over the years like Jedd List, Ricky Wallace, Kurt Shields, was it Michael Penfold at Glasgow? Some of them could barely turn the bike, let alone score some decent points for their team. Now is the time to back the Brits. You only have to see how it’s benefitted the Poles by them taking.... and continuing on that path. Speedway's answer to Football's "Carlos Kickaball"... "He's comes from a country that's really good at Football/Speedway (delete as applicable), so let's sign him"... Watching lots of Speedway on YouTube it is incredible how many riders appear for so many different teams down the years (not guesting either, actually contracted for that year).. The same "journeymen" foreign riders going on the club "merry go round" hitting five to six point averages year in year out, never improving by much, never decreasing in standard by much.. Almost as if they realised hitting a certain average would get likely get them a place the following year, whilst hitting a higher average would possibly leave them out in the cold... Edited April 16, 2021 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 5 hours ago, Najjer said: It’s a very valid point actually. How can it be justified to fly riders like Kasper Anderson in and out of the country, who let’s be honest, is a second string at best - when a British rider should and could be given that opportunity for much less cost and in this case, do just a good a job? I agree, I'd understand if the choice is Bjarne Petersen vs James Sarjeant, but if it's Kasper Andersen vs Connor Mountain, why pay for flights for a rider who is maybe 0.2 stronger than a Brit! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 6 hours ago, Najjer said: It’s a very valid point actually. How can it be justified to fly riders like Kasper Anderson in and out of the country, who let’s be honest, is a second string at best - when a British rider should and could be given that opportunity for much less cost and in this case, do just a good a job? As Redcar do not pay Andersen’s flights , it does not need to be justified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 40 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: As Redcar do not pay Andersen’s flights , it does not need to be justified. But the points money Redcar pay Anderson would have to reflect that, so they would still be paying for them indirectly . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 Scunthorpe thread 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 26 minutes ago, arnieg said: But the points money Redcar pay Anderson would have to reflect that, so they would still be paying for them indirectly . Thats assuming he scores enough points to cover his flights! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ringitsneck Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 42 minutes ago, arnieg said: But the points money Redcar pay Anderson would have to reflect that, so they would still be paying for them indirectly . That’s stupid, you may as well say they pay for his bacon sandwich and tins of red bull ! Now back to the Skunny thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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