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2 hours ago, the outsider said:

Doesnt Jordan Palin remain at reserve for the whole season and keep the same average ? Surely if he ends up being promoted into the main body of the team that ends his "protected heats". Is that not the idea or have I missed something ? In which case JP can slam in as big a scores as he likes it wont impact our team average. I think ...?

No Rising Star stays at reserve if his average goes up... they move into the main body of the team with their own average... if they get injured they can only be replaced with a Rising Star of the same rating or less... so if you have a 3 star rider and no other 3's or 2's are available you get a 1 star rider... so if ya 3 star rider gets up to a 5 average and ends up in the main body then gets injured you have to replace him with another Rising Star...

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THJ 

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59 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:

No Rising Star stays at reserve if his average goes up... they move into the main body of the team with their own average... if they get injured they can only be replaced with a Rising Star of the same rating or less... so if you have a 3 star rider and no other 3's or 2's are available you get a 1 star rider... so if ya 3 star rider gets up to a 5 average and ends up in the main body then gets injured you have to replace him with another Rising Star...

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THJ 

So,,, just suppose you had a really good rising star, could it be possible for him to rise to the no.1 team position, (a be-ro star),,, he maybe gets injured and, possibly has to be replaced by a not very good star?

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8 hours ago, ruffdiamond said:

So,,, just suppose you had a really good rising star, could it be possible for him to rise to the no.1 team position, (a be-ro star),,, he maybe gets injured and, possibly has to be replaced by a not very good star?

Falling star anyone

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11 hours ago, ruffdiamond said:

So,,, just suppose you had a really good rising star, could it be possible for him to rise to the no.1 team position, (a be-ro star),,, he maybe gets injured and, possibly has to be replaced by a not very good star?

Yep; he could be hot stuff on the Curry Star Rating and have an 8 average and all you can replace him with is a rider of the same star rating or less; so if he was a 2 Star Rating you couldn't even get a 3 Star Rated rider to replace him even if one was available. So it will be swapping a Vindaloo for a Korma...

This is only a guess but unless Rob can come up with something special; like a manipulation or bending of the rules to get someone to fit; Scunny will be running with a 4 or 5 point rider either Zaine Kennedy; Josh McDonald or Kasper Andersen then possibly Lasse Fredriksen; Ondrej Smetana; Nick Skorja or another new foreign rider who would come in on a 5; or there is always the option to drop someone from the team to bring in one high and one lower averaged rider however there are literally no options out there available so Rob is between a rock and a hard place whatever he does. Also the latest on BWD as to whether he will come over and do the UK this season is now he wont be coming over. (But that could change again depending on offers)

Furthermore I doubt there will be any facilities allowed for missing riders as suggested who at least haven't ridden for a team; although there have been exceptions in the past it is frowned upon and European lockdowns and travel restrictions are going to be very interesting to see what happens under these circumstances... Newcastle have Claus Vissing in at No1 and intend to use him however if he gets stuck in Denmark would it be fair for them to use R/R for their number 1 when he hasn't turned a wheel  for the club; would Newcastle get a facility? It has the potential to get really messy... 

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THJ

 

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25 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:

Yep; he could be hot stuff on the Curry Star Rating and have an 8 average and all you can replace him with is a rider of the same star rating or less; so if he was a 2 Star Rating you couldn't even get a 3 Star Rated rider to replace him even if one was available. So it will be swapping a Vindaloo for a Korma...

This is only a guess but unless Rob can come up with something special; like a manipulation or bending of the rules to get someone to fit; Scunny will be running with a 4 or 5 point rider either Zaine Kennedy; Josh McDonald or Kasper Andersen then possibly Lasse Fredriksen; Ondrej Smetana; Nick Skorja or another new foreign rider who would come in on a 5; or there is always the option to drop someone from the team to bring in one high and one lower averaged rider however there are literally no options out there available so Rob is between a rock and a hard place whatever he does. Also the latest on BWD as to whether he will come over and do the UK this season is now he wont be coming over. (But that could change again depending on offers)

Furthermore I doubt there will be any facilities allowed for missing riders as suggested who at least haven't ridden for a team; although there have been exceptions in the past it is frowned upon and European lockdowns and travel restrictions are going to be very interesting to see what happens under these circumstances... Newcastle have Claus Vissing in at No1 and intend to use him however if he gets stuck in Denmark would it be fair for them to use R/R for their number 1 when he hasn't turned a wheel  for the club; would Newcastle get a facility? It has the potential to get really messy... 

Regards
THJ

 

Yes indeed could get very messy, a rider I would love to see riding for the Scorpions however it is unlikely is Andreas Lyager who came over as a young lad a few years ago and seems to have progressed massively over in Europe however with the restrictions in Europe he probably wont come over.  

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12 minutes ago, Ryan555 said:

Yes indeed could get very messy, a rider I would love to see riding for the Scorpions however it is unlikely is Andreas Lyager who came over as a young lad a few years ago and seems to have progressed massively over in Europe however with the restrictions in Europe he probably wont come over.  

Definitely an option and never say never as in these current crazy times I wouldn't rule anything out to be fair

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THJ

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18 hours ago, ruffdiamond said:

So,,, just suppose you had a really good rising star, could it be possible for him to rise to the no.1 team position, (a be-ro star),,, he maybe gets injured and, possibly has to be replaced by a not very good star?

that's just unlucky though isn't it.  And luck or lack of it plays a massive part in any sport. You'd still be on an even par with your opponents.  How many times in the past has a youngster  increased their average from the assessed two or three to then find themselves replaced, by an old hand on a lower average, once they start to struggle. At least by retaining their star status once ready to return from injury the young rider will be able to re-take their place.

I'm not a fan of the rising star scheme but something needed to be done to make sure youngsters are given time to develop rather than being chucked in and replaced by a more experienced rider at the earliest opportunity.  

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1 hour ago, Lionspride said:

My understanding is slightly different in that each team must have a minimum of 1 rising star in their team & it states nowhere that if you wanted to sign a different rising star they have to replace your current rising star. 

So let’s use Palin as an example if he rose to get a 6.00average he moves into the team.

Palin then gets injured (hopefully not) I understand Scunthorpe COULD replace Palin with a 6.00 rider but they would then ha8ve to release someone else lower down the averages to bring in the compulsory rising star.

I hope that makes sense .

Yes it does make sense but is that not double standards... as far as I have been informed you replace your Rising Star with another Rising Star as they don't count on the team build as such at the start of the season as they get a star rating  to start with rather than an average... so they cant carry over their points from their average to the rest of the team if injured... cake and eat it springs to mind... if that's the case when Pailin goes into the main body should the lowest averaged rider not be dropped for another Star Rated Rider who stays at reserve until he moves out of that position if each club has to have a Rising Star... it's a pile of Pony if you ask me...

It's the Rising Star position that's protected not the rider or his average? Isn't it? Surely? Eh?

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THJ 

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54 minutes ago, TotallyHonestJohn said:

Yes it does make sense but is that not double standards... as far as I have been informed you replace your Rising Star with another Rising Star as they don't count on the team build as such at the start of the season as they get a star rating  to start with rather than an average... so they cant carry over their points from their average to the rest of the team if injured... cake and eat it springs to mind... if that's the case when Pailin goes into the main body should the lowest averaged rider not be dropped for another Star Rated Rider who stays at reserve until he moves out of that position if each club has to have a Rising Star... it's a pile of Pony if you ask me...

It's the Rising Star position that's protected not the rider or his average? Isn't it? Surely? Eh?

Regards 

THJ 

Simplicity is the hardest thing to do. ;)

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9 hours ago, Mike0310 said:

Haven’t read all of the thread and I apologise if it’s already been mentioned but what about james sarjeant.

As someone becoming increasingly bored of the team situation at Scunny...  and someone getting used to life in the covid era...  any inclusion of James Sargeant would be the end of my involvement in the sport....  I need my interest igniting, unless things change I fear im done with the sport.

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45 minutes ago, Albert said:

As someone becoming increasingly bored of the team situation at Scunny...  and someone getting used to life in the covid era...  any inclusion of James Sargeant would be the end of my involvement in the sport....  I need my interest igniting, unless things change I fear im done with the sport.

I must admit an involvement of someone who is the standard of James Searjant replacing someone like Jake Allen will be visible by the figures in the crowd for Rob to tell I hope he can put the rabbit out the hat and fast ! 

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46 minutes ago, Ryan555 said:

I must admit an involvement of someone who is the standard of James Searjant replacing someone like Jake Allen will be visible by the figures in the crowd for Rob to tell I hope he can put the rabbit out the hat and fast ! 

The way things are panning out at Newcastle Ben Barker fits... 

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THJ 

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50 minutes ago, RS50 said:

Care to expand on that?

Yeah looking likely that we will have Ben Barker which I don’t really mind he did boost our away form last season. For the people that are now very confused Newcastle council have said that can’t host meetings until towards the end of June though they do still say they will run however I think it will be tough ! 

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