Mike0310 Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 Plymouth have submitted an application to join the league above for next year, the press release is on there forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 Bold move as the status of the leagues above is largely unknown at present and feels like a last roll of the dice for the current promotion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 Very brave too. Can the crowdsize comprehend the added costs? Only the promotion will know 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike0310 Posted September 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 I’m assuming so as they are saying they are going to be up grading the track and supporters areas so the money must be coming from somewhere I’m over the moon about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike0310 Posted September 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 I think your definitely right Richard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 Good to see the ambition of the promotion, good luck to them I hope they succeed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 That will probably force the hands of stand alone clubs IOW, Kent and Mildenhall to do likewise or fold i would suspect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, teaboy279 said: That will probably force the hands of stand alone clubs IOW, Kent and Mildenhall to do likewise or fold i would suspect? Hard to see a future for NDL?? Kent can only go PL surely? (Mondays) IOW crowds just can't support any higher level despite great Presentation? Mildenhall surrounded by Buster Clubs? BV Colts / Leicester Cubs? Plymouth brave move need bigger crowds / commercial income ? Rye House any news? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) Even if fans come back to watch higher league racing, they still want to see a winning team. The current promotion can’t do that in the NL so I can’t see why they could do it in the Championship. Look at the Masons and their abysmal Championship results. A big risk imo. Alternatively they could be thinking it’s the Championship or bust as fans wont watch to pay to watch a 4/5 team glorified MDL level NL. Worrying times for the league. Edited September 25, 2019 by Islander15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 14 hours ago, TurnTwo said: Very brave too. Can the crowdsize comprehend the added costs? Only the promotion will know I am not quite sure brave is the word. The last promotion at Championship level folded having made losses in every season. The present promotion are reportedly losing money hand over fist at NL level. Most of the league is based north of Manchester, with only Somerset within 200 miles. Travelling expenses will be huge. Attracting riders to drive to the far south west - on a Friday night - will be a problem that could result in higher pay than normal. They will certainly have to work on the track preparation side, because Championship riders are far less forgiving than NL ones. They'll also have to work hard on the PR, because the attitude seems to be that criticism - from anyone and of any kind - is unacceptable. That's not good enough and requires a sea change. Having said all that, SBA cam be a fantastic race track and I have seen some brilliant speedway there at Championship level in particular, and I have always thought that a city the size of Plymouth could and should attract gates big enough to substantially support a Championship team. Very best of luck to the club and the promotion. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said: I am not quite sure brave is the word. The last promotion at Championship level folded having made losses in every season. The present promotion are reportedly losing money hand over fist at NL level. Most of the league is based north of Manchester, with only Somerset within 200 miles. Travelling expenses will be huge. Attracting riders to drive to the far south west - on a Friday night - will be a problem that could result in higher pay than normal. They will certainly have to work on the track preparation side, because Championship riders are far less forgiving than NL ones. They'll also have to work hard on the PR, because the attitude seems to be that criticism - from anyone and of any kind - is unacceptable. That's not good enough and requires a sea change. Having said all that, SBA cam be a fantastic race track and I have seen some brilliant speedway there at Championship level in particular, and I have always thought that a city the size of Plymouth could and should attract gates big enough to substantially support a Championship team. Very best of luck to the club and the promotion. Reportedly losing money hand over fist!Where has this been reported and by who,or is it just you and your know all attitude spreading gossip again, plus they have stated a change of race night would be required, I believe possibly a Tues or Saturday nite are being muted but not confirmed however thier is alot of hoops to jump through before being accepted so nothing is definite atm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 32 minutes ago, lewy said: Reportedly losing money hand over fist!Where has this been reported and by who,or is it just you and your know all attitude spreading gossip again, plus they have stated a change of race night would be required, I believe possibly a Tues or Saturday nite are being muted but not confirmed however thier is alot of hoops to jump through before being accepted so nothing is definite atm. A Tuesday night has been proposed. How can a Tuesday night bring in more fans than the current Friday night? Seems a massive financial risk to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 20 minutes ago, Islander15 said: A Tuesday night has been proposed. How can a Tuesday night bring in more fans than the current Friday night? Seems a massive financial risk to me. I support a Wednesday track and a lot of fans at our Club prefer midweek as so many other attractions on a Friday/Saturday/Sunday especially family related. Ask Barry Bishop why he races on a Wednesday and not a Friday or Saturday?? OK ours is a a centrally based City but Coastal place like Plymouth can be a mare to get to down m5 in summer due to holiday traffic and also have to consider tourists may be more likely to go midweek as come and go on weekends. There are already 2-3-4 CL Clubs running on gates of 400-500 and surviving, if Plymouth could get 500 they could do OK. Depends on building a compact team that can win at home at right price. Scunthorpe spring to mind as kind of crowd/team budget to aim at speedway wise. Maybe Rob Godfrey can advise them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 The Isle of Wight operate on Thursdays. It has been stated that they have to run midweek to get the discounts on ferry travel for riders, officials and supporters at what is an off-peak time for Wightlink. That's a bad choice of example. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, HGould said: I support a Wednesday track and a lot of fans at our Club prefer midweek as so many other attractions on a Friday/Saturday/Sunday especially family related. Ask Barry Bishop why he races on a Wednesday and not a Friday or Saturday?? OK ours is a a centrally based City but Coastal place like Plymouth can be a mare to get to down m5 in summer due to holiday traffic and also have to consider tourists may be more likely to go midweek as come and go on weekends. There are already 2-3-4 CL Clubs running on gates of 400-500 and surviving, if Plymouth could get 500 they could do OK. Depends on building a compact team that can win at home at right price. Scunthorpe spring to mind as kind of crowd/team budget to aim at speedway wise. Maybe Rob Godfrey can advise them. Strange reply. Barry Bishop races on a Thursday and Rob McCaffrey explains why. Im sure Plymouth must get a fair proportion of fans from holiday makers but by not riding on their traditional Friday night or alternative Saturday night then they’re missing out on those on a long weekend. That could even be a long weekend speedway holiday! Looking up and down the country, fans get into a routine of what night to go and at some clubs that’s been midweek for years but other’s can only get them to come when it’s a Friday night or weekend. Look at Leicester & Rye House recently or Lakeside’s Sunday NL attendances. Finally I wouldn’t regard Scunthorpe as a team that win at home. Only 6 home league wins from 10 this season. I recall a similar record last season. What they do is pride themselves on an entertaining track and sign relatable riders that are loyal. Edited September 26, 2019 by Islander15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 17 hours ago, Richard Weston said: Me thinks a very clever man is whispering in their ears when it comes to the business side of speedway. Nudge, nudge, wink wink, say no more. One tracks loss could be a big gain for another club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 31 minutes ago, RobMcCaffery said: The Isle of Wight operate on Thursdays. It has been stated that they have to run midweek to get the discounts on ferry travel for riders, officials and supporters at what is an off-peak time for Wightlink. That's a bad choice of example. The Islands traditional race night was Tuesday. Going up against Poole most Thursdays seemed a strange decision, maybe Wightlink played a part in that choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, cityrebel said: The Islands traditional race night was Tuesday. Going up against Poole most Thursdays seemed a strange decision, maybe Wightlink played a part in that choice. I was sure I'd been to IOW on a Wednesday few years back. Must have had a good time and forgotten which day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 14 minutes ago, cityrebel said: Nudge, nudge, wink wink, say no more. One tracks loss could be a big gain for another club. are we talking Barry Bishop here, seems only one qualified in that area?? Think he deserves a bash at a higher level as very innovative and charismatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted September 26, 2019 Report Share Posted September 26, 2019 Just now, HGould said: are we talking Barry Bishop here, seems only one qualified in that area?? Think he deserves a bash at a higher level as very innovative and charismatic. No I'm not! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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