Yearbyred Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 Just now, bigred said: I think any rider who started the season at no1 riding at no7 would make a big difference !! Fair point - can’t have happened very often, if ever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupy Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, Yearbyred said: Fair point - can’t have happened very often, if ever? Think Steve Boxall did for Rye house but must of been close as he was knocking in the points at reserve and moved up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slyfox Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 1 hour ago, soupy said: Think Steve Boxall did for Rye house but must of been close as he was knocking in the points at reserve and moved up. Think Matej Kus did it at Berwick also.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normski Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 Kus went from reserve to Number 1 at Berwick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icicle Posted September 15, 2019 Report Share Posted September 15, 2019 and also suddenly spoke English after crashing at Berwick (according to Peter Waite!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, Yearbyred said: Hope the 2 lads are ok as the crash sounded horrendous. Be a terrible shame if injuries were a deciding factor in the end of the season for the Bears. Ulle at reserve makes a massive difference for the Diamonds. 14 hours ago, bigred said: I think any rider who started the season at no1 riding at no7 would make a big difference !! 14 hours ago, Yearbyred said: Fair point - can’t have happened very often, if ever? Honestly It happened last year at Workington when they won the lot (H18tory) and got the treble up; Rene Bach had a month at reserve after starting (and ending) the season at No 1 and it was one of the reasons Workington did as well as they did do because they always had a rider dropping into the reserve berth who could score points which took the pressure off young Kyle Bickley and of course allowed them to take the extra rides when it mattered. (and sensible team management of course) (Especially at Ipswich for the away win) With the experienced riders Newcastle have you would have thought they would have done better than where they have ended up in the league (2nd bottom) and you cant fault Martin Phillips for his team build strategy it "looked a very good team on paper" with strength in depth; however we all know how often that little saying is proven wrong. After all Workington were stitched on "Wooden Spoon" candidates at he start of the 2018 season and look what happened there. It seems to have been the case that not enough of the Newcastle riders could/can perform together on a race night to knock out the wins. Sheffield away proving the point with three of the team doing the necessary and there not being a fourth rider who could step up to the plate (not withstanding the injury to TJ and Matty being missing) (and why no guest for Matty?) and this has been the same for the whole season. When Worky did the treble at least four and sometimes five of the riders pulled the stops out and supported the team by scoring points covering for the two/three riders who were having off nights and this rotated throughout the team and at the end of the season there wasn't a full point difference between the positions 1 to 6 across the averages (0.87 in fact) with the top three riders averages dropping and only Jensen; Bewley and Campton upping their averages and Young Dan missed half the season through injury. (is this why we love the sport?) So as stated fair play to Martin he provided what looked like a very competitive team on paper that unfortunately as a team haven't lived up to expectations and if they all did click in a meeting someone would be on for a hiding but its a big if? and all of them in the top 1 to 6 (including Clegg) are capable of knocking in double figure scores (and have done so) but when only one; two and on the odd occasion three of them have done it together its not been enough to carry the win. Never mind there is always next year... On the riders who were involved in the crash which was a "bad one" and I heard after the meeting they both have potentially season ending injuries if the early prognosis by the track doctors are correct, which is such a shame as Redcar were coming good for the business end of the season and were looking the part. MPT seemed to pick up extra drive coming out of the second bend on the 3rd lap and the bike reared up and he came off the back and then young Nathan ploughed right into him which did look horrendous. (and very painful) Good luck to both of them and here's hoping they get well soon; and good luck to Redcar in the play offs and I agree it will be "a terrible shame if injuries were a deciding factor in the end of the season for the Bears" and it will be a tough ask with two key riders being out injured but here is one "Jawdee" who will be rooting for you. So whether its the Lions the Tigers or Wyverns!!! go get um Bears... Oh My... Lions and Tigers and Bears... Oh My!!! Oh and that Wyvern thingy that isn't really a Wyvern but I wont go there... Good luck Bears on whoever you get in the play offs... Regards THJ Edited September 16, 2019 by TotallyHonestJohn Spelling, 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 2 hours ago, TotallyHonestJohn said: Honestly It happened last year at Workington when they won the lot (H18tory) and got the treble up; Rene Bach had a month at reserve after starting (and ending) the season at No 1 and it was one of the reasons Workington did as well as they did do because they always had a rider dropping into the reserve berth who could score points which took the pressure off young Kyle Bickley and of course allowed them to take the extra rides when it mattered. (and sensible team management of course) (Especially at Ipswich for the away win) With the experienced riders Newcastle have you would have thought they would have done better than where they have ended up in the league (2nd bottom) and you cant fault Martin Phillips for his team build strategy it "looked a very good team on paper" with strength in depth; however we all know how often that little saying is proven wrong. After all Workington were stitched on "Wooden Spoon" candidates at he start of the 2018 season and look what happened there. It seems to have been the case that not enough of the Newcastle riders could/can perform together on a race night to knock out the wins. Sheffield away proving the point with three of the team doing the necessary and there not being a fourth rider who could step up to the plate (not withstanding the injury to TJ and Matty being missing) (and why no guest for Matty?) and this has been the same for the whole season. When Worky did the treble at least four and sometimes five of the riders pulled the stops out and supported the team by scoring points covering for the two/three riders who were having off nights and this rotated throughout the team and at the end of the season there wasn't a full point difference between the positions 1 to 6 across the averages (0.87 in fact) with the top three riders averages dropping and only Jensen; Bewly and Campton upping their averages and Young Dan missed half the season through injury. (is this why we love the sport?) So as stated fair play to Martin he provided what looked like a very competitive team on paper that unfortunately as a team haven't lived up to expectations and if they all did click in a meeting someone would be on for a hiding but its a big if? and all of them in the top 1 to 6 (including Clegg) are capable of knocking in double figure scores (and have done so) but when only one; two and on the odd occasion three of them have done it together its not been enough to carry the win. Never mind there is always next year... On the riders who were involved in the crash which was a "bad one" and I heard after the meeting they both have potentially season ending injuries if the early prognosis by the track doctors are correct, which is such a shame as Redcar were coming good for the business end of the season and were looking the part. MPT seemed to pick up extra drive coming out of the second bend on the 3rd lap and the bike reared up and he came off the back and then young Nathan ploughed right into him which did look horrendous. (and very painful) Good luck to both of them and here's hoping they get well soon; and good luck to Redcar in the play offs and I agree it will be "a terrible shame if injuries were a deciding factor in the end of the season for the Bears" and it will be a tough ask with two key riders being out injured but here is one "Jawdee" who will be rooting for you. So whether its the Lions the Tigers or Wyverns!!! go get um Bears... Oh My... Lions and Tigers and Bears... Oh My!!! Oh and that Wyvern thingy that isn't really a Wyvern but I wont go there... Good luck Bears on whoever you get in the play offs... Regards THJ Now who was that team manager at ippo that night john??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotallyHonestJohn Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, geoff100 said: Now who was that team manager at ippo that night john??? Honestly... Geoff I am far to modest to say... Arrrggghhh OK a cant hold me water any more it was me ME; me me me me me me me me me me me me me me... Oh... the relief... there a said it... it was me!!! and again being ever so modest Steve Lawson pointed out I am the only Comets team manger with a 100% win record and away from home to boot... it was the best £16 quid I ever spent for the BSPA "Manager for a day" licence I had to buy to do the job... and what an honour it was... and definitely worth listening too (or puttin up with) Boozer Bewley snoring in the back of the van all the way back home... (he slept all the way from Ippo to Penrith and when he woke up he said he hadn't been asleep but rather just "restin his eyes" until both Dan and me pointed out he was doing a dam good impression of someone snoring all the way back as the radio didn't even drown him out) (and he whipped the spare bike tyre!!! you can take the boy out of Maryport but you cant take Maryport out of the boy... Tut Tut... he says he didn't but I seen) Also not to claim all the glory I did get some help from Dickie Jull who was a great motivating force as I didn't know any Danish swear words but he translated my instructions brilliantly... cheers Dickie... Yeah... happy memories... Regards THJ Edited September 16, 2019 by TotallyHonestJohn Spelling, 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 From the Bears website:- Michael Palm Toft and Nathan Greaves were involved in a horrific crash during last night’s Championship League clash at Newcastle. Michael lifted coming off turn 2 during heat 12, falling from the rear of his bike and was run over by Nathan Greaves who was unable to avoid his fallen teammate. Both riders were taken straight to hospital for treatment, with Nathan being discharged after X-Rays. Nathan has sustained tissue and some ligament damage to his leg and hip, escaping without any breaks. Unfortunately, Michael has a fracture to one the vertebrae in his back and severe bruising to his chest and lungs. He has been kept Newcastle’s RVI Hospital for further assessment and monitoring. Nathan is hopeful that he will return before the end of the Agilia Bears season, but Michael has not been so fortunate, with his season coming to an end. We would like to wish both riders a speedy recovery and will keep you updated with their progress. So we might see Nathan again but it will be guests for MPT. Hope both guys recover quickly. 1 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yearbyred said: From the Bears website:- Michael Palm Toft and Nathan Greaves were involved in a horrific crash during last night’s Championship League clash at Newcastle. Michael lifted coming off turn 2 during heat 12, falling from the rear of his bike and was run over by Nathan Greaves who was unable to avoid his fallen teammate. Both riders were taken straight to hospital for treatment, with Nathan being discharged after X-Rays. Nathan has sustained tissue and some ligament damage to his leg and hip, escaping without any breaks. Unfortunately, Michael has a fracture to one the vertebrae in his back and severe bruising to his chest and lungs. He has been kept Newcastle’s RVI Hospital for further assessment and monitoring. Nathan is hopeful that he will return before the end of the Agilia Bears season, but Michael has not been so fortunate, with his season coming to an end. We would like to wish both riders a speedy recovery and will keep you updated with their progress. So we might see Nathan again but it will be guests for MPT. Hope both guys recover quickly. Speedy recovery to both guys ,bit unlucky for Bears at a vital time,but that’s Speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamond@heart Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 Speedy recovery to both riders 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylorj Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 Speedway can be cruel at times ....speedy recovery to both riders , such a vital time too heading into the play-offs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear_Bottom Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 TABLE-TOPPING Leicester, the new Championship Shield winners, have picked Redcar as their opponents in the semi-finals of the play-offs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) Not surprised Leicester picked Redcar - they have a team that rides very well at MPA. Lawson as guest for Worrall makes it even harder for the Bears. Edited September 16, 2019 by Yearbyred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedcarRacer Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) Not too many options to replace MPT but maybe can get luck for away legs Edited September 16, 2019 by RedcarRacer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnyson66 Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 23 minutes ago, RedcarRacer said: Not too many options to replace MPT but maybe can get luck for away legs According to the Bears management there are plenty of riders available for MPT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnyson66 Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Yearbyred said: Not surprised Leicester picked Redcar - they have a team that rides very well at MPA. Lawson as guest for Worrall makes it even harder for the Bears. Yep I agree with that , I'd rather Worrall was riding than Lawson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 Last nights crash has robbed Redcar of any real prospect of beating Leicester over two legs, especially as the Lions have brought in Lawson , a Redcar specialist , to replace Worrell. The match itself was a bit of a bore fest, ( never mind the inevitable delay ) only two genuine overtakes , whoever led from turn two won but the best team won on the night with S.Worrell back to his best and Østergaard looking like the rider he once was.Solid back up all round. Good that the crowd were kept informed by the centre green announcers. Wright and Riss did what was expected, Greaves and Palm Toft were doing ok and Andersen surprised me with a battling performance although surprised to see him in heat 15. Stewart looked like he wanted to be back home. Some strange referring , didn't understand why he stopped the race when Andersen touched Bjerre and put himself to the back of the field . He could have simply disqualified him after the race as the result would not have been effected . No such offence as " moving another rider off his line"! His claim that the tapes were faulty was a joke. He let a few flyers go ,from both sides. Going to be an interesting cup final if the Bears can find a good pair of replacements and with Ostergaard being the key man for the Diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted September 16, 2019 Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 40 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Last nights crash has robbed Redcar of any real prospect of beating Leicester over two legs, especially as the Lions have brought in Lawson , a Redcar specialist , to replace Worrell. The match itself was a bit of a bore fest, ( never mind the inevitable delay ) only two genuine overtakes , whoever led from turn two won but the best team won on the night with S.Worrell back to his best and Østergaard looking like the rider he once was.Solid back up all round. Good that the crowd were kept informed by the centre green announcers. Wright and Riss did what was expected, Greaves and Palm Toft were doing ok and Andersen surprised me with a battling performance although surprised to see him in heat 15. Stewart looked like he wanted to be back home. Some strange referring , didn't understand why he stopped the race when Andersen touched Bjerre and put himself to the back of the field . He could have simply disqualified him after the race as the result would not have been effected . No such offence as " moving another rider off his line"! His claim that the tapes were faulty was a joke. He let a few flyers go ,from both sides. Going to be an interesting cup final if the Bears can find a good pair of replacements and with Ostergaard being the key man for the Diamonds. On the contrary, I thought the evening and racing was a good advert for speedway. The racing was competitive, a big crowd for once from the Bears and turning up for a change, but marred by the horrible accident to Michael and Nathan. I agree, and I privately praised both Roy and Dalbers, for their informed chat which felt like it halfed the actual 1 hour plus delay due to the accident and lack of medical facility for a short while. The fact that we won on the night was incidental, but more meetings need to be like this but without the crash. 'Two passes", yea right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted September 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Fortythirtyeight said: Last nights crash has robbed Redcar of any real prospect of beating Leicester over two legs, especially as the Lions have brought in Lawson , a Redcar specialist , to replace Worrell. The match itself was a bit of a bore fest, ( never mind the inevitable delay ) only two genuine overtakes , whoever led from turn two won but the best team won on the night with S.Worrell back to his best and Østergaard looking like the rider he once was.Solid back up all round. Good that the crowd were kept informed by the centre green announcers. Wright and Riss did what was expected, Greaves and Palm Toft were doing ok and Andersen surprised me with a battling performance although surprised to see him in heat 15. Stewart looked like he wanted to be back home. Some strange referring , didn't understand why he stopped the race when Andersen touched Bjerre and put himself to the back of the field . He could have simply disqualified him after the race as the result would not have been effected . No such offence as " moving another rider off his line"! His claim that the tapes were faulty was a joke. He let a few flyers go ,from both sides. Going to be an interesting cup final if the Bears can find a good pair of replacements and with Ostergaard being the key man for the Diamonds. No it wasn't "a joke." The outside went up before the inside. I was looking virtually head-on (from the pits) and it was clear for all to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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