Sidney the robin Posted September 25, 2019 Report Share Posted September 25, 2019 8 hours ago, False dawn said: If I remember rightly, he pulled the wheelie crossing the finish line, in the lead, at the end off the race and fell just beyond the line. But we remember his time at Coventry for a lot more than that. A true professional and ambassador for the sport. He was a true gentleman as you say, and what a terrific World Champion and ambassador he could of been if 1986 had of gone his way.Do you think he was good anough to be a world champion??? my view is certainly yes he was.He is in a small group of riders i believe were good anough to be World champion but for whatever reason it never quite happened a few example's, Farndon, Duggan, Huxley, Warren, Sigalos, Adams, Carter, . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 On 9/24/2019 at 7:09 PM, steve roberts said: Do you remember the occasion Sid when Tommy pulled a celebratory wheelie at Swindon and fell off the back of his machine and got up and bowed to the crowd? I do . every time we went to Swindon after that .it was on loop showing on the video screens 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 On 9/26/2019 at 2:59 AM, Sidney the robin said: He was a true gentleman as you say, and what a terrific World Champion and ambassador he could of been if 1986 had of gone his way.Do you think he was good anough to be a world champion??? my view is certainly yes he was.He is in a small group of riders i believe were good anough to be World champion but for whatever reason it never quite happened a few example's, Farndon, Duggan, Huxley, Warren, Sigalos, Adams, Carter, . I'd say Carter is the obvious comparison, with injuries and refereeing decisions hampering them. After the 81 world final, who would have predicted that neither would make the podium in any future world individual final. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, waiheke1 said: I'd say Carter is the obvious comparison, with injuries and refereeing decisions hampering them. After the 81 world final, who would have predicted that neither would make the podium in any future world individual final. Do you actually feel that Carter was good anough to be World Champion??? i do and if only the Penhall race had been called back with all four riders. Who knows how his life would of panned out, i went to the NSS stadium the other week and just thought to myself how Kenny would of loved that track he was also superb at Hyde Rd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 On 9/25/2019 at 9:05 AM, steve roberts said: There was no better exponent pulling wheelies than Hans Nielsen (I recall that he fell off once however!) however Erik Gundersen confessed that he wasn't very good at them...Bobby Schwartz was another who admitted that it was beyond him. surely ermolenko, king, cook were better at wheelies than Hans? my recollection is the Americans were renowned for them (Schwartz being something of an anomaly style wise amongst them) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 26 minutes ago, waiheke1 said: surely ermolenko, king, cook were better at wheelies than Hans? my recollection is the Americans were renowned for them (Schwartz being something of an anomaly style wise amongst them) I wouldn't necessarily say better, but certainly his equal. That said, Sam is also in the falling off whilst pulling a wheelie club... against Cradley no less, right in front of their supporters. He also got up and bowed, got back on the bike and pulled another one the opposite way down the home straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted October 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, waiheke1 said: surely ermolenko, king, cook were better at wheelies than Hans? my recollection is the Americans were renowned for them (Schwartz being something of an anomaly style wise amongst them) They were all good exponents but what I remember of Hans was that he was always pretty spectacular in that he would pull wheelies down the straights on successive laps whilst the race was in progress and not not just as he crossed the finishing line as did 'Wiggy' of course...the pair of them together pulling wheelies whilst leading 'The Cheetahs' to another 5-1...great memories! Edited October 12, 2019 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 1 hour ago, steve roberts said: They were all good exponents but what I remember of Hans was that he was always pretty spectacular in that he would pull wheelies down the straights on successive laps whilst the race was in progress and not not just as he crossed the finishing line as did 'Wiggy' of course...the pair of them together pulling wheelies whilst leading 'The Cheetahs' to another 5-1...great memories! The Referee warning them for doing so, think it was a certain Mr Ebdon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted October 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 Just now, Triple.H. said: The Referee warning them for doing so, think it was a certain Mr Ebdon ...and of course the farcical exclusion 'Wiggy' got when celebrating with a victory wheelie completing, what he thought, a full 18 point maximum against the Yanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted October 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 Recall the occasion when Swindon's Shawn McConnell played to the gallery when about to cross the finishing line only to be passed by Oxford's Jens Rasmussen who claimed the point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adonis Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) 44 minutes ago, steve roberts said: Recall the occasion when Swindon's Shawn McConnell played to the gallery when about to cross the finishing line only to be passed by Oxford's Jens Rasmussen who claimed the point! Joe screen was the best wheelier of those times . no feet .or standing on the pushbar . continuing round the turn sometimes , on the theme of ridiculous refs decisions . I remember rick miller being the only rider in a race .and getting excluded for pulling wheelies , "not making a valid effort to race " Edited October 12, 2019 by adonis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 We're wheelies banned at one point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted October 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, bruno said: We're wheelies banned at one point? If I recall the referees during the England vs. USA Test series (1986) were under instructions to exclude any rider who performed a 'wheelie'...hence Wiggy's exclusion. Think the ref on that occasion was Paul Ackroyd? Edited October 12, 2019 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 18 minutes ago, steve roberts said: If I recall the referees during the England vs. USA Test series (1986) were under instructions to exclude any rider who performed a 'wheelie'...hence Wiggy's exclusion. Think the ref on that occasion was Paul Ackroyd? I couldn't remember the year, but yes, wheelies were banned for a while. Caused a big stink... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 On 10/12/2019 at 3:07 PM, chunky said: I couldn't remember the year, but yes, wheelies were banned for a while. Caused a big stink... I bet the riders felt like "rearing up" over that decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted October 15, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) On 10/12/2019 at 10:23 AM, adonis said: Joe screen was the best wheelier of those times . no feet .or standing on the pushbar . continuing round the turn sometimes , on the theme of ridiculous refs decisions . I remember rick miller being the only rider in a race .and getting excluded for pulling wheelies , "not making a valid effort to race " Yes it does amuse me when it's suggested that the Yanks were the best exponents of the art! Edited October 15, 2019 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyMac Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/12/2019 at 4:07 PM, chunky said: I couldn't remember the year, but yes, wheelies were banned for a while. Caused a big stink... Didn't then World Champion Hans Nielsen continue to defy the new ruling? Quite rightly, the rule was dumped before the authorities could further drain every ounce of entertainment from proceedings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, tmc said: Didn't then World Champion Hans Nielsen continue to defy the new ruling? Quite rightly, the rule was dumped before the authorities could further drain every ounce of entertainment from proceedings. Hans defied it at the 1986 BLRC at Hyde Road. He eased to the championship with a 15-point maximum and pulled a few defiant wheelies as he crossed the finishing line. Paul Ackroyd was again the unlucky man in charge and this time he ignored the SCB directive issued by Dick Bracher. Fortunately, the ridiculous "wheelie ban" was dropped after 1986. PS When Oxford went to Reading on the August Bank Holiday that year, Bernard Crapper refused to be team manager, because Paul Ackroyd was referee, and John Tremblin stood in. Of course, the two men made up when Ackroyd became Crapper's successor as SRBF secretary. Edited October 21, 2019 by lucifer sam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted October 22, 2019 Report Share Posted October 22, 2019 On 10/12/2019 at 9:39 AM, steve roberts said: Recall the occasion when Swindon's Shawn McConnell played to the gallery when about to cross the finishing line only to be passed by Oxford's Jens Rasmussen who claimed the point! I remember that too. Very funny. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 17, 2020 Report Share Posted June 17, 2020 On 10/15/2019 at 1:37 PM, steve roberts said: Yes it does amuse me when it's suggested that the Yanks were the best exponents of the art! They have obviously never seen Neil Collins with his wheel an inch in the air 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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