IainB Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Baldyman said: So looking at those rules you don't get a bonus point for drawing, Dunno tbh, who cares really... All I originally said was that speedway was the only sport where you get more points as an away team for drawing than a home team... Then BWitcher QC was all over me with insults Edited September 5, 2019 by iainb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 hour ago, iainb said: Dunno tbh, who cares really... All I originally said was that speedway was the only sport where you get more points as an away team for drawing than a home team... Then BWitcher QC was all over me with insults you only stated the facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 There should be a system similar to the NBA. The bottom club should get to pick any 2 riders they want out of the entire league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 13 minutes ago, JeremyCorbynFan said: There should be a system similar to the NBA. The bottom club should get to pick any 2 riders they want out of the entire league. How would that work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 Just now, Bald Bloke said: How would that work They do it in the NBA. The bottom team gets the first two draft picks from the free agents. It ensures a competitive league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 minute ago, JeremyCorbynFan said: They do it in the NBA. The bottom team gets the first two draft picks from the free agents. It ensures a competitive league. The riders are self employed. You can't make them ride for any team they don't want to. And then there is the wages. Some might be able to afford them, some can't. Will never work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JeremyCorbynFan said: They do it in the NBA. The bottom team gets the first two draft picks from the free agents. It ensures a competitive league. Every team can draft pick riders from all the others teams in the league every week of the season now so no need to bring in any extra rules.. It ensures a competitive league... Edited September 5, 2019 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 3 hours ago, iainb said: Dunno tbh, who cares really... All I originally said was that speedway was the only sport where you get more points as an away team for drawing than a home team... Then BWitcher QC was all over me with insults It doesn't matter how many times you say it, You are wrong and have been told as such by several folk on the thread. Neither is it 'ridiculous' as you claim it to be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 1 hour ago, ray c said: you only stated the facts He stated no facts. Just those irrelevant to the debate and his claim of a 'ridiculous' scoring system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 7 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: The riders are self employed. You can't make them ride for any team they don't want to. And then there is the wages. Some might be able to afford them, some can't. Will never work. Well they used to have rider control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 8 hours ago, BWitcher said: It doesn't matter how many times you say it, You are wrong and have been told as such by several folk on the thread. Neither is it 'ridiculous' as you claim it to be. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 10 hours ago, mikebv said: Every team can draft pick riders from all the others teams in the league every week of the season now so no need to bring in any extra rules.. It ensures a competitive league... They do ..sadly thou people keep making fuss about it nowone has ever come up with a better plan that understands the money side of the sport .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluenose Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 As i see it !! 1 2 / 3 leagues set out on cost of running. Teams to join league on cost basics, Join November Agm. 2 Averages done away with, Swedish A , B , C, D system adopted. ( D see below) 3 Squad system ?. Top league name extra 2 (D) riders from lower league/s, (9 riders per team) , no transfers at all unless teams down to 6 riders due to injury . R/R to come in only if rider availability exhausted. 4 Match days as is. 5 Point system as is, ( if it aint broke don,t fix it) 6 Tracks prepared safely ( too many unsafe this season ) 7 Online Channel / Buy live matches. 8 Leagues not to be run by the Promoters !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bluenose said: As i see it !! 1 2 / 3 leagues set out on cost of running. Teams to join league on cost basics, Join November Agm. 2 Averages done away with, Swedish A , B , C, D system adopted. ( D see below) 3 Squad system ?. Top league name extra 2 (D) riders from lower league/s, (9 riders per team) , no transfers at all unless teams down to 6 riders due to injury . R/R to come in only if rider availability exhausted. 4 Match days as is. 5 Point system as is, ( if it aint broke don,t fix it) 6 Tracks prepared safely ( too many unsafe this season ) 7 Online Channel / Buy live matches. 8 Leagues not to be run by the Promoters !! I can see that being agreed in the bar one evening after a long day debating the options!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 league should never be run by promoters independent body 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ray c said: league should never be run by promoters independent body Never in a million years.. It's their money and they don't want anyone involved who they need to report to.. You are right by the way... No "proper" competition would ever dream about letting its own competitors make the rules up, changing them like the wind as and when it suits/doesnt suit individuals.. What we have now is all there is... Crowds are pretty much stable(ish) I would say, all be it at a low base, so it won't lose too many more fans (unless through natural causes), as they are all mainly die hards now I would suggest.. To paraphrase an old adage, "If it can't be fixed, don't try".... Rinse and repeat ad infinitum... Edited September 6, 2019 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 28 minutes ago, mikebv said: Never in a million years.. It's their money and they don't want anyone involved who they need to report to.. You are right by the way... No "proper" competition would ever dream about letting its own competitors make the rules up, changing them like the wind as and when it suits/doesnt suit individuals.. What we have now is all there is... Crowds are pretty much stable(ish) I would say, all be it at a low base, so it won't lose too many more fans (unless through natural causes), as they are all mainly die hards now I would suggest.. To paraphrase an old adage, "If it can't be fixed, don't try".... Rinse and repeat ad infinitum... To be fair, aren't American sports generally run this way? Far more professionally of course.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 55 minutes ago, Skidder1 said: I can see that being agreed in the bar one evening after a long day debating the options!!!!! Most of it made perfect sense, so why not tell us what you feel is wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 hour ago, BWitcher said: To be fair, aren't American sports generally run this way? Far more professionally of course.. They have a much more joined up system (as you say professional), which to be honest I've always thought British Speedway should have followed.. An elected commission with no allegiances running a trade organisation of franchises.. All collectively marketing, all collectively sharing the pie that their plan delivers.. No relegation means no threat to any long term business plan and guarantees a certain amount to be budgeted for each season.. Obviously this comes with severe sanction if you let the 'brand' down and if you don't cut it then you could find yourself out of a franchise.. This aspirational business plan though obviously delivers overall organic growth.. If UK Speedway tried it, it would take a year of arguments and meetings to just agree on the name for the organisation, never mind the operating model and business plan.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 hour ago, BWitcher said: Most of it made perfect sense, so why not tell us what you feel is wrong? Probably because you'll be a socially retarded cretin about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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